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re: FSU sources: Florida State/Clemson to Big12 "inevitable"
Posted on 5/20/12 at 7:09 pm to GABlueDog
Posted on 5/20/12 at 7:09 pm to GABlueDog
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A potential ACC-Big East conference alliance and matchup (they are talking with each other)...not so much. The music has stopped playing and the 4 big guys have taken the 4 chairs and the ACC is still standing looking around...even looking at the fat ugly chick in the corner that is the Big East.
If this move does happen, I think the best the ACC/BigEast combined conference and smaller conferences could hope for is a 6 team playoff with the 5 winners (PAC, B1G, Big12, SEC, ACC/BE) plus one at large spot that might go to the MWC/ConfUSA/ETC champ if they happened to be ranked high enough. Otherwise it would just go to the next highest ranked team.
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Posted on 5/20/12 at 7:10 pm to GABlueDog
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Exactly. The 4 superconferences can almost be assured of having the best chances of fielding the two teams to play for the NC. Moreover, they will dominate TV exposure and bring in shiploads of $ with their conference matchups.
A potential ACC-Big East conference alliance and matchup (they are talking with each other)...not so much. The music has stopped playing and the 4 big guys have taken the 4 chairs and the ACC is still standing looking around...even looking at the fat ugly chick in the corner that is the Big East.
As for Nebraska, it doesn't matter if the Big 12 eeks out a bit more money than the Big 10. They don't have to put up with Texas' BS anymore and that was a primary reason they left.
This sh#t is going nuclear.
Posted on 5/20/12 at 7:14 pm to jcole4lsu
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They would have to be looking at significantly more money to make up for the massive increase in travel costs + the ACC buyout.
According to a few of the insider articles I've read, The buyout has already been negotiated....Big12 is going to pay $10mil of it, and loan FSU another $3-4million...Ironically, most of the Big12 money will come from the Big's influx of A&M/Mizzou exit fees. The travel costs are more of an issue for fans, as the Big12 has negotiated in "travel deductions" that FSU/Clemson would be reiumbursed for.
As for the TV money, it appears to be a substantial increase....$17mil in ACC vs about $25mil in the expanded 12-team Big12 with a conference championship game. And that doesn't even include the Tier3 stuff that FSU would now have more freedom to monetize.
As I've said before, if the money was close or equal, we wouldn't even be having this discussion. Just the mere fact that FSU and Clemson are seriously talking to the Big12 signals that there is a huge disparity in revenue between the two conferences.
This post was edited on 5/20/12 at 7:17 pm
Posted on 5/20/12 at 7:15 pm to rocket31
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especially if they somehow manage to land ND (which THIS article suggests is a possibility
I've been thinking its a possibility ND winds up in the BigXII. With the LHN already, they could work out a way to keep their own TV deal. In the end, I just don't think ND will be able to turn down the extra revenue a conference brings. Being in a conference with Texas and FSU will give them a presence in those states for recruiting. A conference with Texas, OU, FSU, ND is a powerhouse conference.
Posted on 5/20/12 at 7:19 pm to jcole4lsu
I agree. But I don't think there is a chance of that happening. The power players have consolidated their grip. The new reality is 4 superconferences (Big 10, Pac 12, SEC, Big 12) with two alliances between them (Big 10-Pac 12 and SEC-Big 12). They will use their power to make sure the playoff stays at 4 teams.
ACC and everyone else not in the Big 4 are left out.
ACC and everyone else not in the Big 4 are left out.
Posted on 5/20/12 at 7:20 pm to JPLSU1981
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As for the TV money, it appears to be a substantial increase....$17mil in ACC vs about $25mil in the expanded 12-team Big12 with a conference championship game. And that doesn't even include the Tier3 stuff that FSU would now have more freedom to monetize.
Isn't the money part hypothetical pending an actual deal being negotiated? Or has ESPN already agreed to that amount in principle?
Posted on 5/20/12 at 7:21 pm to H-Town Tiger
IMO, the Big12 will be shooting for GaTech+NotreDame in Phase2 of its expansion. You might even see Notre Dame added in all sports but football relatively soon, with hopes of them joining as full members in 2016.
If for whatever reason Notre Dame chooses to stay independent, which is a legitimate possibility, look for the Big12 to add GaTech plus MiamiORPittORLouisville when it goes from 12 to 14.
It's obvious to me with the announcement Friday that the Big12 and the SEC are in the process of "aligning" their leagues (rivals cross-conference, Champions Bowl, probably we'll also see a regular season non-conference Big12-SEC challenge as well).
If for whatever reason Notre Dame chooses to stay independent, which is a legitimate possibility, look for the Big12 to add GaTech plus MiamiORPittORLouisville when it goes from 12 to 14.
It's obvious to me with the announcement Friday that the Big12 and the SEC are in the process of "aligning" their leagues (rivals cross-conference, Champions Bowl, probably we'll also see a regular season non-conference Big12-SEC challenge as well).
This post was edited on 5/20/12 at 7:27 pm
Posted on 5/20/12 at 7:24 pm to Easy
It's been widely speculated that the renegotiated Big12 deal is minimum $20mil per team, and that's in a 10-team league with no conference championship game.
Add FSU/Clemson and a conference championship game, and the rumored bump is in the $23-$25million range, not including each individual school's Tier3 stuff.
While there has been nothing "official" come out on the Big12's contract, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that it will be significantly more than the ACC....If it wasn't, FSU and Clemson wouldn't even be talking to the Big12.
Add FSU/Clemson and a conference championship game, and the rumored bump is in the $23-$25million range, not including each individual school's Tier3 stuff.
While there has been nothing "official" come out on the Big12's contract, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that it will be significantly more than the ACC....If it wasn't, FSU and Clemson wouldn't even be talking to the Big12.
This post was edited on 5/20/12 at 7:29 pm
Posted on 5/20/12 at 7:27 pm to JPLSU1981
Yeah, but wasn't a blockbuster ACC deal widely speculated after they added Syracuse and Pitt? I wouldn't think that they would change conferences based on internet speculation, but that seems to be the new world order.
Posted on 5/20/12 at 7:28 pm to H-Town Tiger
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I've been thinking its a possibility ND winds up in the BigXII
idk, i just dont see it happening unless ND gets denied access to the BCS/playoff; and i dont see that happening because those bowls are all about $$ ...
Posted on 5/20/12 at 7:28 pm to 225bred
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I just hope GT isn't left in the dark, if FSU goes, which is apparently inevitable now then I would be in full favor of going to the Big12
you wouldn't want to go to the sec?
Posted on 5/20/12 at 7:30 pm to GABlueDog
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ACC and everyone else not in the Big 4 are left out
its not that easy; there is a little thing called anti-trust which will still cause problems; a four team playoff that excludes major schools will not fly.
Posted on 5/20/12 at 7:30 pm to St Augustine
GT will never be in the SEC again. Ever.
Posted on 5/20/12 at 7:31 pm to Easy
To be fair, the ACC's deal was indeed Better than it was before they expanded ($4million per team better)....It's just that they signed their contract before the huge uptick in TV deals (which started with the Pac12), so they were already lagging behind everyone, so the new bump in TV dollars they got is still lagging behind everyone.
The ACC did not get a new contract per se....It was just a "look in" similar to what the SEC is going through right now.
The ACC did not get a new contract per se....It was just a "look in" similar to what the SEC is going through right now.
Posted on 5/20/12 at 7:36 pm to JPLSU1981
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One high-level Big 12 source said, "I think we'll end up at 12 and a half - to start with." That source speculated Florida State and Clemson could end up in the Big 12 or Florida State and Louisville after the very intense flirtation between the BIg 12 and Louisville when West Virginia was ultimately selected. Notre Dame would be the "half"in that equation until it's ready to give up its independence in football.
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Posted on 5/20/12 at 7:39 pm to rocket31
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its not that easy; there is a little thing called anti-trust which will still cause problems; a four team playoff that excludes major schools will not fly.
It won't exclude them per se. But if you are not in one of the big 4 superconferences you will have a much harder time of getting into the playoff. Moreover, you will have a much smaller slice of the big money pie because the superconferences will eat up most of it.
The antitrust thought is nothing new...people have claimed the BCS is unfair to certain schools for years. It is not easy to prove an antitrust case and not many would want to go that route.
Posted on 5/20/12 at 7:42 pm to JPLSU1981
I just don't see ND joining the big 12 and being in a conference with Iowa State, Kansas State, Texas Tech, West Virginia, and Okie State. The alumni want ND to remain independent and I don't' think the alumni and faculty want to join the big 12 even though Texas in it.
If FSU and Clemson leave for the big 12 ND then gets a sweetheart deal with the ACC and can be in the same conference with Duke, UNC, Wake, MD, Pitt, Syracuse, and UVA. I can see the ACC giving ND a 7 game conference schedule and other goodies.
No way ND joins the big 12. Their alumni who ND is heavily dependent on won't like it. If they felt that they were too special for the big 10 they won't join the Big 12.
If FSU and Clemson leave for the big 12 ND then gets a sweetheart deal with the ACC and can be in the same conference with Duke, UNC, Wake, MD, Pitt, Syracuse, and UVA. I can see the ACC giving ND a 7 game conference schedule and other goodies.
No way ND joins the big 12. Their alumni who ND is heavily dependent on won't like it. If they felt that they were too special for the big 10 they won't join the Big 12.
Posted on 5/20/12 at 7:43 pm to GABlueDog
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It is not easy to prove an antitrust case and not many would want to go that route.
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if you specifically disallow schools to participate, that is all the proof one needs. at least with the current BCS, the *possibility* existed.
all these talking heads and media outlets fail to realize that there will be states whose main state schools are left out in the cold. there is no way that the senators/representatives from those states will let that go quietly...cmon.
this is far more complicated than just TV dollars...
Posted on 5/20/12 at 7:49 pm to BayouBengals03
This is ruining college football
Posted on 5/20/12 at 7:57 pm to JPLSU1981
Louisville and Ga Tech make sense There would be some symmetry to that, since Fla, USCe, UGA and UK all agreed to vote together to block FSU, Clem, GT and LV from the SEC 
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