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From ESPN: which pitcher deserves to be in HoF?
Posted on 1/2/15 at 1:12 pm
Posted on 1/2/15 at 1:12 pm
Pitcher A: 270-153, 3.68 ERA, 3,562.2 IP, 2,813 SO war 82.7
Pitcher B: 216-146, 3.46 ERA, 3,261 IP, 3,116 SO war 80.7
Pitcher C: 194-126, 3.46 ERA, 2,898.2 IP, 2,668 SO war 68.5
Pitcher D: 213-155, 3.33 ERA, 3,473 IP, 3,084 SO war 66.5
Pitcher E: 211-144, 3.28 ERA, 3,256.1 IP, 2,397 SO war 61.7
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Pitcher B: 216-146, 3.46 ERA, 3,261 IP, 3,116 SO war 80.7
Pitcher C: 194-126, 3.46 ERA, 2,898.2 IP, 2,668 SO war 68.5
Pitcher D: 213-155, 3.33 ERA, 3,473 IP, 3,084 SO war 66.5
Pitcher E: 211-144, 3.28 ERA, 3,256.1 IP, 2,397 SO war 61.7
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Pitcher A has the highest ERA but won the most games and pitched the most innings. Pitcher B has the same ERA as Pitcher C but won more games -- and also lost more games. Pitcher B has about the same win-loss record and innings pitched as Pitcher E but has more strikeouts while Pitcher E has the better ERA. Pitcher A won 57 more games than Pitcher D while losing only two fewer. Pitchers B, C, D and E all played on World Series winners while pitchers A, B and D were the best performers in the postseason -- although Pitcher C was 8-3 in the postseason. Pitchers C, D and E all won Cy Young Awards, but Pitcher B has the highest total of Cy Young award shares (percentage of points available).
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Pitcher A is Mike Mussina. Pitcher B is Curt Schilling. Pitcher C is David Cone. Pitcher D is John Smoltz. Pitcher E is Kevin Brown. Cone and Brown combined to receive just 33 votes in their one year on the ballot, their Hall of Fame cases quickly dismissed. Mussina and Schilling both received less than 30 percent of the vote last year.
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You can certainly boost Smoltz ahead of Brown based on Smoltz's postseason numbers, and I guess you can try to boost Smoltz ahead of Mussina based on the same logic (although Mussina was a solid postseason pitcher with a 3.42 ERA), but that doesn't work when comparing Smoltz to Schilling, considering they are two of the greatest postseason pitchers of all time. (Smoltz was 15-4 with a 2.67 ERA while Schilling was 11-2, 2.23 ERA. Schilling also won three World Series titles compared with just one for Smoltz.)
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Posted on 1/2/15 at 1:25 pm to tduecen
All 4 do
Posted on 1/2/15 at 1:32 pm to lsu480
Smoltz and schilling for sure
I will say however in his best year Kevin brown was effin unhitable
I will say however in his best year Kevin brown was effin unhitable
Posted on 1/2/15 at 1:33 pm to lsu480
My answer was none.
Posted on 1/2/15 at 1:33 pm to dallastiger55
Mussina deserves it above both imo
Posted on 1/2/15 at 1:34 pm to tduecen
Why in the hell do people feel the need to put that much space in their posts ? It's fricking stupid !
Plus there is much more to getting into the HOF than numbers !
Plus there is much more to getting into the HOF than numbers !
This post was edited on 1/2/15 at 1:36 pm
Posted on 1/2/15 at 1:37 pm to bayouman
only Smoltz. Of the 5 lines above, none deserve HOF induction, however, that does not include the entire line for Smoltz. When all of it is included, he should be elected.
Posted on 1/2/15 at 1:38 pm to bayouman
Not when it serves a purpose.... and the HoF is always about numbers when compared to their peers.... if it was just being likable then several other players would be in already and several would be out of the HoF.
Posted on 1/2/15 at 1:54 pm to tduecen
My answer is none from that list.
The pitchers I figured out were:
A: Mussina
B: schilling
D: Smoltz
E: Kevin Brown
The pitchers I figured out were:
A: Mussina
B: schilling
D: Smoltz
E: Kevin Brown
Posted on 1/2/15 at 1:57 pm to Vicks Kennel Club
Smoltz has a 89% chance to make the Hall according to the computers, Cone/Brown are off the ballot already with Mussina and Schilling likely gone this year or next depending on what happens.
Smoltz is deserving, but so are Mussina, Schilling, and Brown for that matter. As the article states, people are overrating Smoltz as a closer for their argument.
Smoltz is deserving, but so are Mussina, Schilling, and Brown for that matter. As the article states, people are overrating Smoltz as a closer for their argument.
Posted on 1/2/15 at 1:59 pm to tduecen
Smoltz probably would have been my first choice. Schilling and Mussina would have been fine, but I am not pushing for their candidacy. I know you want Moose. Brown and Cone are just Hall of Very Good shite.
Posted on 1/2/15 at 2:10 pm to tduecen
Which pitcher is better?
Pitcher A- 209 W, 166 L, 2.95 ERA
Pitcher B- 209 W, 164, 3.40 ERA
Both careers were at the same time.
Pitcher A is considered one of the best pitchers of his generation and won multiple World Series championships. He is in the Hall of Fame. He never threw a no-hitter.
Pitcher B is considered a punchline in one of the worst trades in baseball history (but in reality, wasn't), and played for poor teams that never made the World Series. He has never truly been considered for the Hall of Fame. He threw a no-hitter.
Pitcher A is Don Drysdale
Pitcher B is Milt Pappas (Frank Robinson trade)
Pitcher A- 209 W, 166 L, 2.95 ERA
Pitcher B- 209 W, 164, 3.40 ERA
Both careers were at the same time.
Pitcher A is considered one of the best pitchers of his generation and won multiple World Series championships. He is in the Hall of Fame. He never threw a no-hitter.
Pitcher B is considered a punchline in one of the worst trades in baseball history (but in reality, wasn't), and played for poor teams that never made the World Series. He has never truly been considered for the Hall of Fame. He threw a no-hitter.
Pitcher A is Don Drysdale
Pitcher B is Milt Pappas (Frank Robinson trade)
Posted on 1/2/15 at 2:19 pm to tduecen
Smoltz 154 career saves sets him apart IMO.
Posted on 1/2/15 at 2:23 pm to Apache
Any of those starters could have been moved to the bullpen and had success imo
Posted on 1/2/15 at 2:55 pm to tduecen
But did they? No. It's about accomplishments not what ifs.
Posted on 1/2/15 at 2:57 pm to John McClane
No instead they won more games with a higher WAR and similar or lower ERA
Posted on 1/2/15 at 3:14 pm to tduecen
Yet you still discount his accomplishments
Posted on 1/2/15 at 3:36 pm to tduecen
I didn't look at the answers and pitcher B has the best stats to me.
Posted on 1/2/15 at 3:37 pm to John McClane
the thing about Smoltz and his bullpen accomplishments is that he had those stats listed---which are comparable to the other lines---plus he had the # of saves. The other 4 lines do not have anything else to add.
Posted on 1/2/15 at 4:24 pm to PrimeTime Money
You are probably right. Schilling is probably the best pitcher of the bunch, but Smoltz has the best chance to make the Hall.
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