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re: Freeman named HC at ND?

Posted on 12/3/21 at 11:52 am to
Posted by Jcorye1
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Posted on 12/3/21 at 11:52 am to
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Yes. You realize that he is integral in their still being in national title contention, correct? You realize that he was also integral in building Cincy, another team in contention, correct?

If they have hired the guy, it's not because of an impending signing class. It's his body of work and their wanting continuity.



It's okay to admit you thought he was there longer.
Posted by Gaggle
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Posted on 12/3/21 at 11:55 am to
He wasn't the coach yet. Swarbrick and ND did a presser stating they'd do an extended, patient search including NFL, etc and that an interim wouldn't be a candidate. (Ie, it sounded like Freeman would be interim and they were going after a big fish.)

Then the player video supporting Freeman was leaked. Then for 3 days outlets everywhere - deadspin, Yahoo, nypost, barstool(pretty much everyone except ESPN) released articles literally titled "Freeman named ND head coach" but in the article it would actually say "Freeman is expected to officially be named very very soon" and they didn't even pretend to have a source. Then a ton of glowing articles about how ND now has the most electric brightest young defensive mind in football and had immediately upgraded over that bum Kelly came out. All while ND had done nothing, no other presser. But if they didn't hire Freeman now, they were going to have a problem and they have a weak admin with a lot of shitty influence. That's what happened. Media made this happen
This post was edited on 12/3/21 at 11:56 am
Posted by Buckeye Fan 19
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Posted on 12/3/21 at 12:01 pm to
He gives ND more of a chance at a national championship than Kelly would. Maybe he'll be Urban Meyer. Maybe he'll be Charlie Weis. Maybe he'll be in between (e.g., Kelly).

Regardless, Kelly was never going to win one at ND. Freeman might.
Posted by Gaggle
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Posted on 12/3/21 at 12:11 pm to
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He gives ND more of a chance at a national championship than Kelly would.
I don't know what could make you think that. Running a major program at all is an enormous task. He's never done it. Are we just trying to talk about emotional factor and continuity THIS year and the very much outside chance of even making the playoffs? In that case make him the interim.

You're right that he's 100% a complete tossup, like every other candidate with no HC experience. I know ND is kicked in the balls right now but they could do better
Posted by Buckeye Fan 19
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Posted on 12/3/21 at 12:18 pm to
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I don't know what could make you think that. Running a major program at all is an enormous task. He's never done it. Are we just trying to talk about emotional factor and continuity THIS year and the very much outside chance of even making the playoffs? In that case make him the interim.



Nope. Kelly has never done it and never came close in 12 years. And you'd agree with that statement if I said it a week ago. You'll point to the CFP appearances now and the BCS title game appearance. But if I came here last week and said ND was close to winning a championship three different times, you'd rightfully laugh in my face.

Kelly had maybe a 5% chance of ever winning a championship at ND. Even if Freeman has only a 10% chance (and I hope/think it's higher) that's a better chance than Kelly.
Posted by Gaggle
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Posted on 12/3/21 at 12:25 pm to
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Even if Freeman has only a 10% chance (and I hope/think it's higher) that's a better chance than Kelly.

There's no reason to think that. There's obviously a much better chance ND is 6-6 in a couple years.
Posted by grizzlylongcut
Member since Sep 2021
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Posted on 12/3/21 at 12:32 pm to
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Lot of smoke around Freeman right now.

So Fickel supposedly has waited his entire coaching career for an opportunity at a job like ND and, this year, of all years, a G5 team is likely going to make the playoff and he won't abandon his team for that opportunity because he's in the middle of conference title week.

Damn... Dude really will never leave the state of Ohio.


He's going to miss the boat.
Posted by Buckeye Fan 19
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Posted on 12/3/21 at 12:37 pm to
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There's no reason to think that. There's obviously a much better chance ND is 6-6 in a couple years.


I mean, I didn't say it's a 60% chance he wins one. I put it at a hypothetical 10%. I do think it's higher than that, though.

Kelly wasn't going to win one at ND, dude. Freeman might. There have been plenty of recent internal assistants promoted with no head coaching experience that have had success: Dabo, Day, Riley. Not sure why you're acting like it'd be a shock or unprecedented.

Even if ends up being a 6-6 coach (something I acknowledged is a possibility), the chances right now he wins a championship at ND are higher than Kelly's would be (near zero).
Posted by lionward2014
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Member since Jul 2015
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Posted on 12/3/21 at 2:27 pm to
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This hire was a good bandaid for the short-term, but… that’s it. No one has a damn clue how it’ll work out long-term


Winning begets winning. Keeping the core of this team together for next year, and adding these next few classes will mean a serious run over the next couple of years. This year was always going to be a transition year, and we seriously over performed because some teams on our schedule had down years (Stanford, USC, UNC, and Wisconsin).

I love the hire while still understanding that it could blow up terribly in a few years if he is in over his head. BK built a great foundation so that should help.
Posted by lionward2014
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Member since Jul 2015
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Posted on 12/3/21 at 2:30 pm to
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Even if Freeman has only a 10% chance (and I hope/think it's higher) that's a better chance than Kelly.
There's no reason to think that. There's obviously a much better chance ND is 6-6 in a couple years.


Show your work on this conclusion. Solid base returning and a top 5 recruiting class.
Posted by lionward2014
New Orleans
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Posted on 12/3/21 at 2:31 pm to
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You'll point to the CFP appearances now and the BCS title game appearance. But if I came here last week and said ND was close to winning a championship three different times, you'd rightfully laugh in my face.


Bro don't waste your breath. This board is a whole bunch of hypocrites when it comes to BK. He was overrated and not worth a damn at ND, but now he's a top 3 coach in the FBS and a white whale. Truthfully he is somewhere in the middle, but there's no room for grey area around here.
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