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re: Freeh report is out: "PSU showed 'total disregard' for Sandusky victims"
Posted on 7/13/12 at 9:20 am to Duke
Posted on 7/13/12 at 9:20 am to Duke
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They got rid of him in 1999 as DC.
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he grand jury identified eight boys that had been singled out for sexual advances or sexual assaults by Sandusky, taking place from 1994 through 2009.[5] At least 20 of the incidents allegedly took place while Sandusky was still employed at Penn State.
You don't think any of that was covered up prior to 1999?
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Posted on 7/13/12 at 9:23 am to Keltic Tiger
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Both CNN & ESPN
Well now I'm convinced
Posted on 7/13/12 at 9:23 am to LNCHBOX
Haven't read this thread, but has anybody brought up the fact that McQueary got the year of the alleged attacks wrong? How could you not remember, not just the month or day, but the YEAR that you witnessed a child getting sexually assaulted?
Sounds to me like he didn't really see anything, but heard something suspicious and then after years of mulling it over his subconscious filled in the holes to create some story, which are the "facts" he is testifying to now.
Perhaps that's why he didn't go to Paterno at the time saying there was something terribly wrong going on because at the time he didn't think much of it.
Sounds to me like he didn't really see anything, but heard something suspicious and then after years of mulling it over his subconscious filled in the holes to create some story, which are the "facts" he is testifying to now.
Perhaps that's why he didn't go to Paterno at the time saying there was something terribly wrong going on because at the time he didn't think much of it.
Posted on 7/13/12 at 9:29 am to LNCHBOX
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You don't think any of that was covered up prior to 1999?
The first alligations hit in 1998 I believe. It's not like he was going to be publically raping kids, as that would draw too much attention.
Posted on 7/13/12 at 9:31 am to Duke
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The first alligations hit in 1998 I believe. It's not like he was going to be publically raping kids, as that would draw too much attention.
So you're telling me you think he did this with no one knowing about it for over 5 years?
Posted on 7/13/12 at 9:31 am to Keltic Tiger
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Both CNN & ESPN quoted NCAA legal experts, both former employees of the NCAA & current employees, no names for the current ones, as saying there are no NCAA violations.
If the Freeh report gives the NCAA reason to investigate PSU, that doesn't mean they can't uncover separate violations and hammer the school on the separate violations.
If a coach has the authority to cover up potential child molestation, it stands to reason he would have been able to cover up arrests, drug testing results, etc.
The whole thing is very similar to the Baylor murder cover-up back in teh early 2000's.
Posted on 7/13/12 at 9:32 am to Rohan2Reed
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Perhaps that's why he didn't go to Paterno at the time saying there was something terribly wrong going on because at the time he didn't think much of it
i'm confused, did he not go to joe and talk to him about it the next day after going to his own father and discussing it with him????
Posted on 7/13/12 at 9:34 am to LNCHBOX
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So you're telling me you think he did this with no one knowing about it for over 5 years?
Yes. He picked at risk kids for a reason, because they come from familes without any power/no real family structure to begin with. Pedophiles generally put a great deal of thought into how they are going to do it. The consequences are just so great to being caught. Whenever you hear a story of a child molester, it generally turns out he was doing it for years without being caught.
Posted on 7/13/12 at 9:36 am to piggilicious
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i'm confused, did he not go to joe and talk to him about it the next day after going to his own father and discussing it with him????
But my question is how urgent/dire did he make the situation out to be? You think if he went to Paterno and told him in full detail what he is saying now that Joe would have turned a blind eye? It was a grown man, whom he had little allegiance to, molesting an innocent child.
Posted on 7/13/12 at 9:37 am to Duke
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Whenever you hear a story of a child molester, it generally turns out he was doing it for years without being caught.
A cover up would probably keep him from being caught yes?
Posted on 7/13/12 at 9:41 am to LNCHBOX
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A cover up would probably keep him from being caught yes?
You can't assume a cover up because he wasn't accused for years. Correllation =/= causation
Posted on 7/13/12 at 9:45 am to Duke
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You can't assume a cover up because he wasn't accused for years. Correllation =/= causation
I think you're delusional if you think all the facts are out regarding how long the cover up took place.
Regardless, I've more than proved my point that this should be, and is, an NCAA issue.
Posted on 7/13/12 at 9:47 am to LNCHBOX
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I think you're delusional if you think all the facts are out regarding how long the cover up took place.
I guess your right. The DA involved in the criminal case and the investigator who released a 200+ page report on the incidents didn't do their job. How silly of me to think they did.
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Regardless, I've more than proved my point that this should be, and is, an NCAA issue.
Posted on 7/13/12 at 10:24 am to bobbyray21
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Athletic programs are punished by the NCAA for violating the NCAA's codified rules.* *It goes without saying that when NCAA rule are violated, they are for the purpose of gaining a competitive advantage.
How is covering up a huge embarrassment with respect to harboring criminal activities within University Facilities not gaining a competitive advantage? If this got out, the program was going to be shite for the foreseeable future. They had just joined the Big 10 are were quickly becoming a laughing stock, compiling a 7 and 16 record during that time period. This cover up was to stop the bleeding and further decline in the talent pool, just as influencing a player with whatever means necessary is gaining an undue advantage. How you and others cannot comprehend that is mind boggling.
Look at Article 3 and how it relates to being in good standing with Accreditation Bodies, as well as State and Federal Governments with respect to finances and financial wherewithal. This is going to get ugly. Keep your head in the sand, but the NCAA will be heavily involved, as one of their premier institutions has screwed the pooch.
Posted on 7/13/12 at 10:26 am to bobbyray21
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It appears you still don't understand how jurisdiction works,
keep repeating this...it makes you seem like you have the IQ of a grapefruit.
The NCAA is a voluntary membership organization. They most certainly have "jurisdiction" over their meber institutions behavior.
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It also seems that you have a tenuous grasp of the English language in general.
lulz, from the moron who wrongly applies the legal concept of "jurisdiction" to a voluntary membership organization.
Posted on 7/13/12 at 10:28 am to bobbyray21
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Athletic programs are punished by the NCAA for violating the NCAA's codified rules.*
Mark Emmert said, and i posted the link in this thread, page 18 I think, that this definitely falls under their ethical guidelines under LOIC.
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It goes without saying that when NCAA rule are violated, they are for the purpose of gaining a competitive advantage.
And protecting you program form the scandal of covering for a pedo didnt help make sure recruiting and boosters were donating the max amount of money...please.
Posted on 7/13/12 at 10:32 am to CptBengal
Here's a bylaw for you that I posted earlier...
Title:19.01.2 - Exemplary Conduct.
Individuals employed by or associated with member institutions for the administration, the conduct or the coaching of intercollegiate athletics are, in the final analysis, teachers of young people. Their responsibility is an affirmative one, and they must do more than avoid improper conduct or questionable acts. Their own moral values must be so certain and positive that those younger and more pliable will be influenced by a fine example. Much more is expected of them than of the less critically placed citizen.
Title:19.01.2 - Exemplary Conduct.
Individuals employed by or associated with member institutions for the administration, the conduct or the coaching of intercollegiate athletics are, in the final analysis, teachers of young people. Their responsibility is an affirmative one, and they must do more than avoid improper conduct or questionable acts. Their own moral values must be so certain and positive that those younger and more pliable will be influenced by a fine example. Much more is expected of them than of the less critically placed citizen.
Posted on 7/13/12 at 10:34 am to LNCHBOX
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. Their responsibility is an affirmative one, and they must do more than avoid improper conduct or questionable acts.
motherfricking BOOM.
If the NCAA does nothing you will have groups across America asking:
"What good is the NCAA if they cant even punish a program that protected a child molester for decades"
The NCAA DOES NOT WANT that question asked.
Posted on 7/13/12 at 10:39 am to CptBengal
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If the NCAA does nothing you will have groups across America asking:
"What good is the NCAA if they cant even punish a program that protected a child molester for decades"
The NCAA DOES NOT WANT that question asked.
AMEN brother bengal
Posted on 7/13/12 at 10:53 am to Duke
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You can't assume a cover up because he wasn't accused for years. Correllation =/= causation
Everyone here too much TV. I keep hearing cover up cover up, cover up non-stop like it's a record...without any answering the pressing question...you need a motive to want to cover something up...what's the motive?
"What in the world would have been better publicity than ferreting out a pedophile and stopping him?"
Hindsight facts...which the D.A. didn't have enough facts to prosecute on...which social welfare investigators didn't move forward on...hindsight facts produce this conclusion of cover-up...cover-up, cover-up...like a record...it's easy, it's simply, small-brains process it...nobody is bothering to think. He wasn't on the coaching staff anymore...and everyone with a brain would know this would come out eventually and trying to hide it would kill them...
none of this makes any sense without a rational motive...and hiding it for fear of what? A little exposure and then good publicity for doing the right thing?
What happened at PSU is more complicated and probably involves mistrust and lack of knowledge and miscommunication between the District Attorney and PSU and law enforcement who failed to act earlier...as well as charities and social welfare services who failed to act despite allegations.
But everyone is Captain Hindsight.
This post was edited on 7/13/12 at 10:56 am
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