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re: Formula 1 2021 Season Thread
Posted on 12/15/21 at 12:08 am to weagle99
Posted on 12/15/21 at 12:08 am to weagle99
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Could this have been due to his tires?
Worn tires can explain him braking early or not having the grip to accelerate fast out of a corner, but him taking that awful line into turn 5 and leaving so much room for Max to pass on the inside is not explainable by worn tires, I don't think. I'd venture that Alonso or Ricciardo (both extremely good defensive drivers) would have made Max work much harder for that final pass.
This post was edited on 12/15/21 at 12:11 am
Posted on 12/15/21 at 3:26 am to Street Hawk
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Worn tires can explain him braking early or not having the grip to accelerate fast out of a corner, but him taking that awful line into turn 5 and leaving so much room for Max to pass on the inside is not explainable by worn tires
I think it is down to Lewis didn't think Max was closing fast enough to get him at turn 5. 6 & 9 are the real passing options 5 is a real maybe.
Here is Lewis going into turn 5 taking the racing line which makes sense if Max is not close enough but Max is always close enough in his mind. Max turned in directly toward the apex for an under move and with his tires made it stick. Lewis had to actually back off after the apex because Max had the corner and cut off his intended line. This is what left him a few meters short being able to make a decent pass attempt at 6.
The first part of the straight Max was weaving to break tow the settled in the final part of the straight into a defense of the inside line forcing Lewis the long way round 6.
Lewis was able to take a better line through 7&8 while max had to take a defensive line which gave Lewis a decent shot at the last passing opportunity at 9.
Lewis had closed pretty well on the exit of 8
Lewis got an excellent run down to 9 but again Max protected the inside
Going into 9 they were dead even with Lewis having more speed but Max having the inside
This time Max moved out at the very end and took a more traditional line to force Lewis wide and that was the end of Lewis' chances.
Max drove a near-perfect attacking then defending lap. Lewis' lack of defense into 5 might have worked for most other drivers who would have been planning to set up 6 and 9 but Max ain't that kinda driver. He is like Lewis was in his first couple of years, if there is a hole he will try to thread the needle. Had he defended the line into 5 he could have balked Max enough on the exit to prevent a pass in 6 and maybe done enough in 7 & 8 to prevent a real run into 9. My guess is even with perfect defense in 5-8 Max would have had a needle hole in 9 at best and there could have been fireworks. As it was the pass in 5 was textbook and the defence was too good.
Posted on 12/15/21 at 8:54 am to Obtuse1
Great explanation of the pass, I really think Max caught Lewis by surprise in turn 5, with Lewis not expecting him to go for it that early in the lap, and wait for the more established passing zones later in the lap. It also wouldn't have given Lewis a chance to come back at Max the later in the lap, but Max knew he had the tires and went for it.
Posted on 12/15/21 at 8:59 am to TigerAlumni2010
The explanation I saw was similar on turn 5. Lewis didn't take a defensive line, he took the fastest line for his tires. He didn't expect Max to make a move that early.
Also, Ross Brawn has said Team Principles to Race Director is done. Radio calls won't be allowed. I imagine he means unpromted radio calls.
Also, Ross Brawn has said Team Principles to Race Director is done. Radio calls won't be allowed. I imagine he means unpromted radio calls.
This post was edited on 12/15/21 at 9:01 am
Posted on 12/15/21 at 9:13 am to fightin tigers
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Ross Brawn has said Team Principles to Race Director is done. Radio calls won't be allowed.
Boo, thats some of the best drama...
Posted on 12/15/21 at 9:16 am to fightin tigers
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Also, Ross Brawn has said Team Principles to Race Director is done. Radio calls won't be allowed. I imagine he means unpromted radio calls.
“Please no safety car, Michael”
“No no noooooooooooooo Michael”
RIP
Posted on 12/15/21 at 9:24 am to Lsut81
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Boo, thats some of the best drama...
I figured they would at least remove them from air.
Seeing the how the negotiations and influencing works definitely wasn't good for the sport.
Posted on 12/15/21 at 9:32 am to fightin tigers
Also saw Haas topped the charts for fastest of post season testing, young drivers.
Granted, they were the only ones running the current spec cars.
Granted, they were the only ones running the current spec cars.
Posted on 12/15/21 at 10:16 am to Obtuse1
I think Lewis knew defending at T5 with his tires would be difficult, and was hoping he could make a move on Max further down the road with his straight line speed and the aid a tow (which he came close to doing).
Best reason I can think of for the lack of defense there, aside from a straight up error.
Best reason I can think of for the lack of defense there, aside from a straight up error.
Posted on 12/15/21 at 10:20 am to Lsut81
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Boo, thats some of the best drama...
God dammit. I literally will not watch a race with anyone else in the room because I want to hear every detail that comes over audio.
The years where minimal radio contact was part of the regulations was the most miserable racing to watch.
Posted on 12/15/21 at 10:33 am to Tbonepatron
You'll still get the driver radio.
Also, F1TV has all the driver radio if that is your sort of thing.
Also, F1TV has all the driver radio if that is your sort of thing.
Posted on 12/15/21 at 11:06 am to TigerAlumni2010
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I really think Max caught Lewis by surprise in turn 5, with Lewis not expecting him to go for it that early in the lap, and wait for the more established passing zones later in the lap.
Max was probably amped the frick up and Lewis was still recovering from being told about the lapped cars. I can't imagine the adrenaline going through Max at that moment. You could see it when he was coming through the hotel sector and he was gassing and breaking right next to Lewis.
Posted on 12/15/21 at 11:23 am to southernelite
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“Please no safety car, Michael”
“No no noooooooooooooo Michael”
RIP
From Toto himself earlier this season: [Toto] found it "highly entertaining how quickly some sporting directors jump on the channel to Masi and come with Armageddon scenarios".
"It's good that these channels are now opened up so we can all have a laugh," Wolff said.
Source
FIA/Team radio broadcasts joins drivers meetings broadcast in the vault of awesome things that got cancelled.
This post was edited on 12/15/21 at 11:23 am
Posted on 12/15/21 at 11:37 am to BottomlandBrew
By far it was the best entertainment of the weekend.
Also showed how great Charlie was to handle things.
That was also the source of "well, if you loosen the straps it is probably alright"
"I don't think you can really loosen them"
"I think that he is just loosening them"
"Nah, I'm unbuckling"
This post was edited on 12/15/21 at 11:42 am
Posted on 12/15/21 at 11:55 am to fightin tigers
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That was also the source of "well, if you loosen the straps it is probably alright"
"I don't think you can really loosen them"
"I think that he is just loosening them"
"Nah, I'm unbuckling"
Remind me again, was that Riccardo and Lewis talking to Charlie?
Also, why did they stop broadcasting the driver safety meeting? Whose decision was it?
Posted on 12/15/21 at 12:40 pm to rickgrimes
The argument was that drivers were afraid to express their opinions without getting fan backlash.
Posted on 12/15/21 at 12:46 pm to Obtuse1
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Lewis' lack of defense into 5 might have worked for most other drivers who would have been planning to set up 6 and 9 but Max ain't that kinda driver. He is like Lewis was in his first couple of years, if there is a hole he will try to thread the needle. Had he defended the line into 5 he could have balked Max enough on the exit to prevent a pass in 6 and maybe done enough in 7 & 8 to prevent a real run into 9. My guess is even with perfect defense in 5-8 Max would have had a needle hole in 9 at best and there could have been fireworks. As it was the pass in 5 was textbook and the defence was too good.
Perfect analysis. I think this quote sums it all up - "Max drove a near-perfect attacking then defending lap." On that last lap, Max was just better, fresh soft tires not withstanding.
It's not like Lewis doesn't know how to defend, after all just 2 years ago he kept Max behind him for 60 laps at Monaco when a Mercedes strategy error put Lewis on medium tires that were only supposed to last 50 laps, yet somehow not only did Lewis make those tires work for 67 laps, he kept Max - who was on hard tires - at bay for most of it. I know overtaking at Monaco is not easy, but the point is that Lewis knows how to defend if he needs to, but on this particular occasion, he fell short.
This post was edited on 12/15/21 at 12:50 pm
Posted on 12/15/21 at 12:49 pm to rickgrimes
The seatbelt thing was because Seb had gotten in trouble for the ride back to the pits after, maybe Stroll hit him.
Charlie was giving a little lecture not to do it.
Then maybe Seb brought up Lewis unbuckling and waving to the fans was equally unsafe and no one says anything. The Charlie said Lewis was just loosening, and Lewis laughed that he was u buckling.
The Perez face was RoGro calling him out on cutting a turn.
Yep. They were afraid to bring up incidents or drivers because a big deal would be made about it. It is supposed to be a free area where they don't get dinged and can say what they like.
Charlie was giving a little lecture not to do it.
Then maybe Seb brought up Lewis unbuckling and waving to the fans was equally unsafe and no one says anything. The Charlie said Lewis was just loosening, and Lewis laughed that he was u buckling.
The Perez face was RoGro calling him out on cutting a turn.
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The argument was that drivers were afraid to express their opinions without getting fan backlash.
Yep. They were afraid to bring up incidents or drivers because a big deal would be made about it. It is supposed to be a free area where they don't get dinged and can say what they like.
This post was edited on 12/15/21 at 12:52 pm
Posted on 12/15/21 at 1:48 pm to fightin tigers
FIA just released the basic framework of the 2026 engine formula.
Same 1.6 turbo hybrid base.
No more MGU-H (heat energy recovery)
Larger electric power 350k (up from 120k)
100% sustainable fuel
Same 1.6 turbo hybrid base.
No more MGU-H (heat energy recovery)
Larger electric power 350k (up from 120k)
100% sustainable fuel
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