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re: For those who don't think the NFL is rigged....
Posted on 9/27/11 at 11:30 am to LSUPHILLY72
Posted on 9/27/11 at 11:30 am to LSUPHILLY72
it's not that far fetched that a ref knows he is reffing a game, puts money on it, however I disagree that the NFL is "rigged" but definitely am sick of seing guys like hochuli take games over, and hope the NFL is being vigilant against any potential Tim Donahey (i know that's not spelled right)
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Posted on 9/27/11 at 11:38 am to LSUPHILLY72
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It was a grab. If they nit picked and called every "holding" call like that...go back and look at what they don't call.
Did he grab him? YES. Was it "holding"? No.
When "refs" miss obvious calls..people say..."oh they just missed it."
But on that "grab"...he saw it from 50 yards down field...Why does that happen? Because they have an agenda. PERIOD!
So the "NFL" (since you keep referencing it as an entire organization) saw the direction the punt was going (to Knox and not to Hester), knew that it wasn't going out of bounds (which would have negated the play from happening), knew Knox was gonna field it cleanly, backwards, and on the run, and knew that he was gonna return it for a TD, so they threw the flag because gambling is awesome?
Or better yet, they threw the flag "just in case" that punt was returned for a TD?
This thread is awesome. I should come to the MSB more often.
Posted on 9/27/11 at 11:39 am to LSUPHILLY72
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The irony of Green Bay playing the Steelers at Cowboy stadium I should over look as well
This is what I love about conspiracy nuts, they have the worst case of confirmation bias. They think everything is a conspiracy and, walla, they prove themselves right. What is "ironic" about that? 2 teams that have a history vs the Cowboys from a long time ago, met in the SB in Dallas. What was the conpiracy, to rub it in the face Jerry Jones (one of their own)? Rub in the face of Cowboy fans?
Wouldn't the bigger story and bigger money maker be for the COWBOYS, you know the most valuable team in the NFL, the most popular team in the NFL, the team that moves the ratings needle more than any other in the NFL, to have played in the first SB in Dallas, making them the first team to play in the SB on their home field?
no, they passed up all that money to have GB play Pittsburgh in Dallas
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Indy covering last night was because the NFL is on the up and up.
This may come as a shock to you, but some one covers the spread in EVERY frickING GAME
(pretty much, save for the occasional push of course). If the line is 3.5 and someone wins by 3, its a conspiracy, if favorite wins by more than 3, its a conspiracy. If the underdog covers, its a conspiracy, if they don't, well its a conspiracy.
Posted on 9/27/11 at 11:50 am to H-Town Tiger
There is a brilliant quote from FA Hayek, that fits the end of my last post
There is simply no way the NFL could fix every last detail of every move the way the OP suggests without it being discovered. The WWE flat out admits its a show, that everything is scripted. There is no way the NFL could do that while "pretending" to stage games with unknown outcomes. Its just not possible. Nor is it necessary. Nuts like the OP act like they do it for the money, when they can (and in fact do) make insane amounts of money just playing the games. So it makes ZERO sense for them to risk all of that by committing fraud. Now (as we've already seen in this thread) some one likes to bring up Tim Donaghy as some kind of gotcha as if everything is always 100% one way or the other. Naturally, individuals, like referees, players and coaches have and likely will in the future, conspire to shave points, or fix a game. That's possible. Its also pretty much always discovered and people go to jail or face some consequences. That's not the same as saying the whole league is fixed, that they tell one team to not draft a player to benefit another, or have the Saints make the SB or GB and Pitt play in Dallas (wouldn't have been much worse to have Washington play Pitt?). That level of deception is simple not possible without it being blown and is completely unnecessary, since there are billions of dollars to be made any way.
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The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design." F A Hayek
There is simply no way the NFL could fix every last detail of every move the way the OP suggests without it being discovered. The WWE flat out admits its a show, that everything is scripted. There is no way the NFL could do that while "pretending" to stage games with unknown outcomes. Its just not possible. Nor is it necessary. Nuts like the OP act like they do it for the money, when they can (and in fact do) make insane amounts of money just playing the games. So it makes ZERO sense for them to risk all of that by committing fraud. Now (as we've already seen in this thread) some one likes to bring up Tim Donaghy as some kind of gotcha as if everything is always 100% one way or the other. Naturally, individuals, like referees, players and coaches have and likely will in the future, conspire to shave points, or fix a game. That's possible. Its also pretty much always discovered and people go to jail or face some consequences. That's not the same as saying the whole league is fixed, that they tell one team to not draft a player to benefit another, or have the Saints make the SB or GB and Pitt play in Dallas (wouldn't have been much worse to have Washington play Pitt?). That level of deception is simple not possible without it being blown and is completely unnecessary, since there are billions of dollars to be made any way.
This post was edited on 9/28/11 at 9:59 am
Posted on 9/28/11 at 12:05 am to Sophandros
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He held onto him for about 10-15 yards...
NOT AT ALL! He grabbed his jersey for less than 1 second.
Posted on 9/28/11 at 12:10 am to CocomoLSU
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Or better yet, they threw the flag "just in case" that punt was returned for a TD?
This happens all the time.
Posted on 9/28/11 at 12:15 am to H-Town Tiger
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If the line is 3.5 and someone wins by 3, its a conspiracy, if favorite wins by more than 3, its a conspiracy. If the underdog covers, its a conspiracy, if they don't, well its a conspiracy.
If the line is 3.5 and a team returns a punt with 50 seconds left...and there is a questionable holding call that negates it...Yeah, I think that is a bit shady.
When Patrick Peterson "clearly" intercepts the ball against Bama and gets 2 feet inbounds...and the refs on the field call it "out of bounds" and LSU challenges it...and the replay officials confirm the call on the field...and them Bama goes on to win the National Championship...Yeah...its shady.
This post was edited on 9/28/11 at 12:16 am
Posted on 9/28/11 at 9:50 am to LSUPHILLY72
Cospiracy theories are fun.
Posted on 9/28/11 at 9:52 am to LSUPHILLY72
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If the line is 3.5 and a team returns a punt with 50 seconds left...and there is a questionable holding call that negates it...Yeah, I think that is a bit shady
of course you do, you think its shady to begin with, its called confirmation bias and conspiracy theorists are the absolute worst. Not everything has a pattern or is controlled or is controlable. Do you beleive in creation or eveolution? Multiple people have said there was holding on the play. For normal people that shows reasonable people can look at the same thing and disagree.
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and them Bama goes on to win the National Championship...Yeah...its shady.
I hope you are a troll, because if you really believe this stuff you really must have a pathetic life.
This post was edited on 9/28/11 at 10:04 am
Posted on 9/28/11 at 10:02 am to CocomoLSU
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Cospiracy theories are fun.
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10 characteristics of conspiracy theorists
2. Relentlessness. They will always go on and on about a conspiracy no matter how little evidence they have to go on or how much of what they have is simply discredited
10. It's always a conspiracy
Posted on 9/28/11 at 10:03 am to LSUPHILLY72
How the hell is the NFL rigged? There may be some off the field situations in which the NFL has a hand in if there is a scenario that would benefits the NFL as a whole, but do you think that the NFL looks at the schedule and decides before the season, who will win and by how many points, etc?
Posted on 9/28/11 at 10:06 am to LSUPHILLY72
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NOT AT ALL! He grabbed his jersey for less than 1 second.
If someone runs a forty in about 4 seconds, then ten yards is about a second...
Posted on 9/28/11 at 10:32 am to OweO
another thing the conspiracy nuts overlook (because it does not fit their narrative) is that if someone is fixing games to win bets, then someone else has to be on the other side of those bets. People who take bets on sporting events, big casinos, offshore sports books, or local illegal bookies tend not to be complete clueless morons. Someone placing a large bet is something they would notice and don't have to take or honor. If you think is the gambling interests that are fixing the games and bribing the refs, 80% of the bets on the Green Bay-Chicago game were on Green Bay. If they were going to fix that game, they'd have Chicago cover, not GB. GB winning LOST Las Vegas and other bookies a lot of money But we don't want facts to get in the way of a good story.
But we don't want facts to get in the way of a good story.This post was edited on 9/28/11 at 10:34 am
Posted on 9/28/11 at 10:40 am to LSUPHILLY72
I'll believe that on those two plays(PP7's INT, and this TD) something shady went down. However, I will not say that the entire NFL/CFB is rigged.
Posted on 9/28/11 at 10:41 am to H-Town Tiger
What about the Jets-Cowboys game on 9-11? A friend of mine who is a Cowboys fan (I am not) was texting me the whole game with "How bout those 'boys?" I finally texted him back at the start of the 4th quarter that the NFL wasn't going to let NY lose at home on 9/11. He is still not sure that I was only kidding.
Posted on 9/28/11 at 10:51 am to CajunFootball
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I'll believe that on those two plays(PP7's INT, and this TD) something shady went down
every time some one fricks up, its not shady. If you think it was shady, you are basically saying people can't make mistakes. Do you think it was "shady" when that ump blew the call last year that cost the Tigers pitcher (I forget his name) the perfect game? Maybe that ump was betting he would not throw a perfect game
The PP7 call was bad, know what, so was the no PI call on Corey Webster vs Bama in 2004. Its doubtful that LSU would have won that game anyway and no way it was done to help Bama win the NC.
Posted on 9/28/11 at 10:57 am to H-Town Tiger
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The PP7 call was bad, know what, so was the no PI call on Corey Webster vs Bama in 2004.
The PP7 play was reviewed and should have been fixed. The other call was just a bad call. I'm not saying that refs should be infalliable, but there was no excuse for the PP7 play. The TD return could have just been the wrong player called so I'm not really sure what happened.
I'm not saying that every miscall or bad call is a result of shady business. Although it is not out of the question to believe that they know they are working the game and bet accordingly.
Posted on 9/28/11 at 11:14 am to CajunFootball
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no excuse for the PP7 play.
people are fallible, my understanding was the replay officials did not have state of the art, big screen HD TV's. It looks pretty clear when you look at a bunch of times, but they have to make a call fairly quick (less than 5 minutes). It was a bad call, but not an inexcusable one imo.
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Although it is not out of the question to believe that they know they are working the game and bet accordingly.
its certainly possible and has happened as we know from Donahay. But it is highly unlikely they would do it not get caught. NFL refs make 6 figures, plus have other jobs, many are lawyers, investment bankers etc. You think are gonna risk that for 5Grand? Not likely and large bets attract attention. Can it happen, sure? Is it frequent? No way.
Posted on 9/28/11 at 11:25 am to H-Town Tiger
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less than 5 minutes
That is more then enough time to get a look at the play. All they had to do was turn a tv on to ESPN and they would have seen the replays.
Posted on 9/28/11 at 11:36 am to CajunFootball
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All they had to do was turn a tv on to ESPN and they would have seen the replays.
they have replay TVs and looked at it, that doesn't mean they have state of the art TV's. As an LSU fan you and me think it was clear, but we've also seen it a million times. I can't really say if at the moment, it was so clear. I've seen fans bitch about calls that against their team that are blatant, but the fan still insist his team didn't committ the penalty or what ever.
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