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re: ESPN Top Ten NBA Players
Posted on 9/15/17 at 12:01 pm to WestCoastAg
Posted on 9/15/17 at 12:01 pm to WestCoastAg
The way so many underrate Steph is crazy.
He can go anywhere from 2-4, nowhere else.
And even though I wouldn't put him #2, it's not absurd, he absolutely has an argument for #2.
He can go anywhere from 2-4, nowhere else.
And even though I wouldn't put him #2, it's not absurd, he absolutely has an argument for #2.
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Posted on 9/15/17 at 12:02 pm to shel311
Agreed. I have him at 2 but he is clearly no worse than 4th and I feel like I'm taking crazy pills 
Posted on 9/15/17 at 12:04 pm to shel311
Steph became underrated when Durant joined the team and cut into some of Steph's statistics.
Posted on 9/15/17 at 12:05 pm to PrimeTime Money
If anything, seeing KDs explosion this past year only highlights how valuable Steph is
This post was edited on 9/15/17 at 12:05 pm
Posted on 9/15/17 at 12:05 pm to PrimeTime Money
Where's Reauxl so we can talk about Steph's gravity!!!
Posted on 9/15/17 at 12:06 pm to shel311
Towns is much, much more efficient than Cousins
Posted on 9/15/17 at 12:08 pm to shel311
They can't. They can't give an argument. They do the usual LMAO like LmaO at you you Pelitard. Typical, they bring no substance.
I have Boogie in the 11-15 range, probably 1-2 sports ahead of KAT, which is fair. Advanced stats, nod to boogie. Defense, easy nod to boogie. Offensive, close, though it still goes to boogie. If someone has an actual argument for KAT being better, currently, I'd love to hear it. If you're saying you'd take him over Cousins to start a franchise then I absolutely agree. But that's not the discussion.
I have Boogie in the 11-15 range, probably 1-2 sports ahead of KAT, which is fair. Advanced stats, nod to boogie. Defense, easy nod to boogie. Offensive, close, though it still goes to boogie. If someone has an actual argument for KAT being better, currently, I'd love to hear it. If you're saying you'd take him over Cousins to start a franchise then I absolutely agree. But that's not the discussion.
Posted on 9/15/17 at 12:09 pm to floridatigah
quote:That's true, no doubt.
Towns is much, much more efficient than Cousins
But you'd agree that Boogie is considerably better on defense, right?
Posted on 9/15/17 at 12:09 pm to CocoLoco
quote:It's not even that, it's also fair to have KAT over Boogie by a spot or 2.
probably 1-2 sports ahead of KAT, which is fair.
But for someone to have Boogie ahead isn't crazy or the "cult of Boogie" at all. It's a legit take.
I should have clarified that a couple of posts back.
This post was edited on 9/15/17 at 12:10 pm
Posted on 9/15/17 at 12:12 pm to floridatigah
How the frick is he MUCH more efficient when they have practically the exact same PER (player EFFICIENCY rating)
Posted on 9/15/17 at 12:13 pm to Starchild
quote:
Draymond is a critical piece to the Warriors success, but he's not a top 10 player
Agreed. I feel like a top 10 player (maybe even top 20) is a piece you build a franchise around.
I don't think anyone sees Draymond as that type of player. I think calling him a role player undersells his value, but I don't think he's a true first option either which is what I expect out of a top 10 player.
Posted on 9/15/17 at 12:14 pm to CocoLoco
quote:He is a more efficient scorer.
How the frick is he MUCH more efficient when they have practically the exact same PER (player EFFICIENCY rating)
Posted on 9/15/17 at 12:14 pm to shel311
And he's absolutely terrible on defense.
shite, Jokic is insanely efficient on offense, but he's a terrible defender. Should he be ahead of Cousins also?
shite, Jokic is insanely efficient on offense, but he's a terrible defender. Should he be ahead of Cousins also?
This post was edited on 9/15/17 at 12:15 pm
Posted on 9/15/17 at 12:15 pm to shel311
It's not like Boogie is an impact defender, not going to make up for ~60% difference in TS/eFG
Posted on 9/15/17 at 12:19 pm to CocoLoco
quote:
How the frick is he MUCH more efficient when they have practically the exact same PER (player EFFICIENCY rating)
KAT has a higher PER (close, of course), ORtg, TS%, TRB%, and much higher in the win shares column. Defense leaves something to be desired and DMC has a better DRtg.
I don't want to argue one over the other, but I don't see the need to be so dismissive of the argument.
This post was edited on 9/15/17 at 12:20 pm
Posted on 9/15/17 at 12:24 pm to floridatigah
quote:Neither player is clearly better than the other by consensus, that's my only main takeaway here.
It's not like Boogie is an impact defender, not going to make up for ~60% difference in TS/eFG
Posted on 9/15/17 at 12:24 pm to floridatigah
quote:
The cult of Boogie is wild, I'm sure Sac fans are relieved they don't have to do this anymore
It has always amused me. Dude is a borderline top 25 player
Posted on 9/15/17 at 12:26 pm to shel311
quote:
It's not even that, it's also fair to have KAT over Boogie by a spot or 2.
But for someone to have Boogie ahead isn't crazy or the "cult of Boogie" at all. It's a legit take.
Absolutely. The cult of Boogie comment was in response to the Pels fan saying he wouldn't even listen to an argument for Towns over Boogie.
Posted on 9/15/17 at 12:34 pm to Lester Earl
I think it has a bit to do with playing for Sacramento and New Orleans, two desperate fan bases. But yea, he's in that Kyrie, Towns, etc class, his fans always want to put him in that top 10, superstar level.
Posted on 9/15/17 at 12:34 pm to floridatigah
quote:Gotcha, I probably missed that, and I'd agree as it goes in both directions.
Absolutely. The cult of Boogie comment was in response to the Pels fan saying he wouldn't even listen to an argument for Towns over Boogie.
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