re: ESPN MVP Poll: Wentz is the current frontrunner

As evidenced by Luke McCown putting up 31-38 300 yd stat line v the vaunted panthers D in coach Payton’s offense

Or a couple squads thinking chase Daniels could win their starting job based on how he looked in coach Payton’s offense.

And Matt Flynn had a great game when he was the Packers’ backup. He turned out to be trash.

And Matt Cassel had a solid season when Brady went down. He turned out to be trash.

So, Aaron Rodgers and Tom Brady deserve no recognition, because their backups did well once upon a time?

Well that one time Rodgers didn’t play and Flynn played they did just fine without him. Seems awfully similar to using one McCown game as a way to prove your point previously.

Also, how many games do the students of the game of basketball reckon the saints would win if they lost Drew Brees tomorrow?

I don’t play the what if game like that. We have never seen the backup so how can you say how good or not good they would be. We know for sure that GB is trash with no Rodgers. we know for sure that mc cown has filled in admirably last year.

And if you are merely a .500 team even with brees. And win 1-2 games without him. THats 6-7 games. A Rodgers/manning squad goes from 10-12 wins to 1-2. That’s a much bigger drop off.

Well that’s a funny way to make sure you can’t be wrong. I also like how you say you don’t play the what if game and then immediately go into an “if, then” scenario that you completely made up.

Brady went down and they won 10 games without him. He shouldn’t be valued very highly this year because one time, his backup won 10 games. Now, we don’t play what if games around here, so there’s no point in speculating how the Patriots might do without him, but we can use that example from years ago to show that his value isn’t that great.

We don’t know and there’s no way to prove it. That’s why that argument is so silly and easily shot down. Why go off hypotheticals when you have what actually happened readily available.

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the only time you can play the “what player is most valuable to his team” game is when a player actually misses time and you see how the team performs without them. Everything else is made up speculation.

“Most value to his team” has never been the criteria I use for MVP. It’s terrible bc of what I laid out. So good try but no. MVP to me goes to elite player on one of the best teams. Wins matter. You play to win the game. It doesn’t go to a guy who is on a .500 squad whose team would be a .250 kinda squad with him out.

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MVP to me goes to elite player on one of the best teams. Wins matter. You play to win the game. It doesn’t go to a guy who is on a .500 squad whose team would be a .250 kinda squad with him out.

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1. Then you’re giving the award to best player on the best team. That’s different than most valuable player.

2. You’re assuming the second part. We don’t play the what if game around here.