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re: ESPN has a LONG story on Penn state player in 70s
Posted on 4/18/22 at 10:17 am to KiwiHead
Posted on 4/18/22 at 10:17 am to KiwiHead
I went back and read the transcripts from the trial as well as some supporting documents this weekend. After reading it over. I still can't see any culpability for Paterno civilly, criminally or for that matter morally. The same goes for Spanier. Curley may have some civil liability because what happened took place on Athletic Department property.
What the public in hindsight demanded of Paterno was that he file a complaint with the Centre County Sherriff's office in an incident that he did not witness and had happened 6 weeks prior and an incident where McQueary by his own admission he was vague about when telling this to Paterno.
That's like my neighbor coming over and telling me that my ex brother in law is cheating on his new wife with the babysitter. I could be concerned about the kids since they are my neices and nephews, but they are grown and out of both parents houses. So I tell his father.
What the public in hindsight demanded of Paterno was that he file a complaint with the Centre County Sherriff's office in an incident that he did not witness and had happened 6 weeks prior and an incident where McQueary by his own admission he was vague about when telling this to Paterno.
That's like my neighbor coming over and telling me that my ex brother in law is cheating on his new wife with the babysitter. I could be concerned about the kids since they are my neices and nephews, but they are grown and out of both parents houses. So I tell his father.
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Posted on 4/18/22 at 10:41 am to KiwiHead
You are 100% correct
Now that I had time to really reflect on the actual evidence that was out there and what’s been proven, I can’t blame Paterno for doing what he did considering McQueary’s questionable credibility and the vagueness of his accusation. Plus it appears the police only established lines of communication at the time with just the AD and President not Paterno, so I don’t understand what the lazy journalists got mad about here. Paterno was just a football coach not God, he’s not omnipotent.
Now that I had time to really reflect on the actual evidence that was out there and what’s been proven, I can’t blame Paterno for doing what he did considering McQueary’s questionable credibility and the vagueness of his accusation. Plus it appears the police only established lines of communication at the time with just the AD and President not Paterno, so I don’t understand what the lazy journalists got mad about here. Paterno was just a football coach not God, he’s not omnipotent.
This post was edited on 4/18/22 at 10:43 am
Posted on 4/18/22 at 10:44 am to KiwiHead
You should listen to John Ziegler’s “With a Benefit of Hindsight” podcast on this. He has long interviews with Spanier and Schultz that are eye opening in the detail of what really happened.
Basically, Schultz and Curley were charged with a laundry list of felonies, after about 6 years, they pled down to a single misdemeanor charge that normally carries no jail time. Their reasoning was the jury pool was so tainted that they had no shot at trial.
Spanier goes to trial, the prosecution calls Curley and Schultz to get Spanier thinking they will embellish to reduce their sentence. They continue to state they were told a murky story weeks after it happened, and they told Sandusky’s boss at the 2nd Mile since they had jurisdiction of the potential victim.
The state’s case is so flimsy that Spanier’s lawyers choose not to put up a defense case. Turns out, Spanier is convicted, the feds over turn it on appeal, the state gets that overturned, etc.
Still doesn’t change the fact that Spanier’s lawyers got too cute by not presenting a case even if it meant pounding to the jury what the law actually was and how it didn’t apply to him.
Curly and Schultz get jail time because they didn’t testify to the prosecutions narrative that Spanier was the mastermind of the cover up.
Basically, Schultz and Curley were charged with a laundry list of felonies, after about 6 years, they pled down to a single misdemeanor charge that normally carries no jail time. Their reasoning was the jury pool was so tainted that they had no shot at trial.
Spanier goes to trial, the prosecution calls Curley and Schultz to get Spanier thinking they will embellish to reduce their sentence. They continue to state they were told a murky story weeks after it happened, and they told Sandusky’s boss at the 2nd Mile since they had jurisdiction of the potential victim.
The state’s case is so flimsy that Spanier’s lawyers choose not to put up a defense case. Turns out, Spanier is convicted, the feds over turn it on appeal, the state gets that overturned, etc.
Still doesn’t change the fact that Spanier’s lawyers got too cute by not presenting a case even if it meant pounding to the jury what the law actually was and how it didn’t apply to him.
Curly and Schultz get jail time because they didn’t testify to the prosecutions narrative that Spanier was the mastermind of the cover up.
Posted on 4/18/22 at 10:53 am to ThePTExperience1969
The journos are upset because they see that they took down an icon and they are invested in making sure that Paterno's legacy remains trashed so that they can continue to pat themselves on the back. They really don't care about Sandusky or the kids....they don't care really about Spaniel or Curley. And what's the kicker, Paterno acted entirely properly....maybe the only one.
They will die on the hill of their Paterno coverage. They took down a guy who had run a successful program that was run overall in an ethical manner when it came to educating athletes and running a scandal free program up until that point. From their perspective it's the pinnacle of their power.
They will die on the hill of their Paterno coverage. They took down a guy who had run a successful program that was run overall in an ethical manner when it came to educating athletes and running a scandal free program up until that point. From their perspective it's the pinnacle of their power.
Posted on 4/18/22 at 11:03 am to BradBallard
Like I asked earlier, why does the Second Mile get a pass overall?
No directors or functionaries other than Sandusky face any prosecution....none, not even a misdemeanor charge. So this was all going on at Penn State and Sandusky's house and only Sandusky and people higher up at Penn State where Sandusky does not work anymore know about this ?
So Second Mile which is very involved with these kids is totally clueless?
No directors or functionaries other than Sandusky face any prosecution....none, not even a misdemeanor charge. So this was all going on at Penn State and Sandusky's house and only Sandusky and people higher up at Penn State where Sandusky does not work anymore know about this ?
So Second Mile which is very involved with these kids is totally clueless?
Posted on 4/18/22 at 11:12 am to KiwiHead
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So Second Mile which is very involved with these kids is totally clueless?
It was Sandusky that started and ran it so presumably he would have way more power over it to hide things than he would as an employee at Penn St.
but other than just throwing it out there to excuse PSU officials do have any examples of someone from that organization that would/should have know anything? How many people worked there? Was he accused of doing anything at Second Mile offices that others would have seen? If so let’s hold them accountable too and not just use it as a what about excuse for Paterno/PSU
This post was edited on 4/18/22 at 12:51 pm
Posted on 4/18/22 at 11:32 am to KiwiHead
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Like I asked earlier, why does the Second Mile get a pass overall?
No directors or functionaries other than Sandusky face any prosecution....none, not even a misdemeanor charge. So this was all going on at Penn State and Sandusky's house and only Sandusky and people higher up at Penn State where Sandusky does not work anymore know about this ?
So Second Mile which is very involved with these kids is totally clueless?
Doesn’t even begin to touch on social services allowing Sandusky to adopt kids, Sandusky’s wife still thinks he’s innocent to this very day
Posted on 4/18/22 at 11:42 am to H-Town Tiger
You do realize that Second Mile had grown into a large charity that served up to 300,000 kids in 2010. That being said, Jack Raykovitz, the president of Second Mile was never charged for a failure to report, etc. Even though Spanier, et al actually informed Second Mile because it's Second Mile that has jurisdiction of the kid involved.
Second Mile was pretty big and had some serious money and people behind it. You had BOA, Merck, Hershey, State Farm and US steel giving to them.
Only Sandusky as an individual gets held accountable from the organization...no one else and the only other people who pay a price are people who don't have anything to do with it officially....and in the case of Paterno, he kept his distance.
Second Mile was pretty big and had some serious money and people behind it. You had BOA, Merck, Hershey, State Farm and US steel giving to them.
Only Sandusky as an individual gets held accountable from the organization...no one else and the only other people who pay a price are people who don't have anything to do with it officially....and in the case of Paterno, he kept his distance.
Posted on 4/18/22 at 11:50 am to ThePTExperience1969
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Doesn’t even begin to touch on social services allowing Sandusky to adopt kids,
Generally speaking bureaucracies like CPS are not exactly know for being efficient well run organizations. At best they can be under staffed and over worked at worst out right corrupt.
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Sandusky’s wife still thinks he’s innocent to this very day
It’s called denial.
Posted on 4/18/22 at 11:51 am to KiwiHead
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Jack Raykovitz, the president of Second Mile was never charged for a failure to report, etc. Even though Spanier, et al actually informed Second Mile because it's Second Mile that has jurisdiction of the kid involved.
Then he should have been
Posted on 4/18/22 at 2:02 pm to H-Town Tiger
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Generally speaking bureaucracies like CPS are not exactly know for being efficient well run organizations. At best they can be under staffed and over worked at worst out right corrupt.
It goes to the argument and pretty established fact Sandusky fooled everybody about this and this didn’t blow up until it finally got out in 2011
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It’s called denial.
Regardless, Jerry Sandusky could’ve happened on any campus. I’m glad justice was finally done to him but it wasn’t this massive conspiracy bullshite all the MSESPN JoePa haters circle jerk to.
Posted on 4/18/22 at 6:48 pm to KiwiHead
Also I'm not giving ESPN my viewership for this piece to help their ratings tonight
Posted on 4/18/22 at 10:24 pm to BradBallard
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But hey, let’s blame the football coach because he is famous.
The media formed a narrative and threw it out there. In 2011, ESPN wasn’t quite as bad as it became, but bad enough. Your average Joe was going to believe whatever they threw out about JoePa. The funny part was, people had labeled him as senile, and nothing more than a figurehead for the last decade. With the accusations, old JoePa suddenly became a master at covering up this thing via email.
Paterno was nothing more than an attempt at deflecting from the truth…IMO.
Posted on 4/18/22 at 10:45 pm to TexasTiger08
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The media formed a narrative and threw it out there. In 2011, ESPN wasn’t quite as bad as it became, but bad enough. Your average Joe was going to believe whatever they threw out about JoePa. The funny part was, people had labeled him as senile, and nothing more than a figurehead for the last decade. With the accusations, old JoePa suddenly became a master at covering up this thing via email.
Paterno was nothing more than an attempt at deflecting from the truth…IMO.
With the evidence as is per court filings and whatever investigations there were, I think you’re completely accurate.
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