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re: ESPN has a LONG story on Penn state player in 70s
Posted on 4/11/22 at 1:40 pm to lsupride87
Posted on 4/11/22 at 1:40 pm to lsupride87
Joe Pa’s blind spot for horrific crimes committed in his program is damning. He’s a POS in my book.
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Posted on 4/11/22 at 1:45 pm to Kato
Did you read the article? The player was arrested and kicked off the team. Be mad at law enforcement and the judge, they sucked, but this article is reaching so much to make it a Paterno thing
Posted on 4/11/22 at 1:47 pm to lsupride87
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Did you read the article? The player was arrested and kicked off the team. Be mad at law enforcement and the judge, they sucked, but this article is reaching so much to make it a Paterno thing
Eh, Joe pa got a call from the cops asking where the guy was, told them to give him the weekend, and then the guy had am alibi for 3 separate rapes. Joe Pa tried to talk to the players into helping him with said alibis, but one player didn't commit to helping.
Then, once it was clear the player was fricked, joe Pa tried to wash his hands of him.
The judge is a piece of shite though.
ETA: I will say they made this click baity regarding Joe pa, making it seem as if he was MUCH more guilty than he was.
This post was edited on 4/11/22 at 1:49 pm
Posted on 4/11/22 at 1:50 pm to PP7 for heisman
quote:What article did you read? Nothing at all even hints at Paterno telling the players to help with his alibi
Eh, Joe pa got a call from the cops asking where the guy was, told them to give him the weekend, and then the guy had am alibi for 3 separate rapes. Joe Pa tried to talk to the players into helping him with said alibis, but one player didn't commit to helping.
This post was edited on 4/11/22 at 1:52 pm
Posted on 4/11/22 at 1:51 pm to LSUMJ
Question: when the paterno scandal broke in 2011, was the MSB unified in disgust, or did some posters insist paterno was innocent?
Posted on 4/11/22 at 1:52 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
quote:It was unified disgust with very very very few posters that argued otherwise
Question: when the paterno scandal broke in 2011, was the MSB unified in disgust, or did some posters insist paterno was innocent?
Posted on 4/11/22 at 1:55 pm to lsupride87
quote:Here are the actual quotes
What article did you read? Nothing at all even hints at Paterno telling the players to help with his alibi
Two players said joe pa told them this
“Well, you got to tell the truth the best you can”
And the third player said Paterno told him this
“Todd Horne is guilty, and if you testify for him, you’re off the team”
Posted on 4/11/22 at 2:03 pm to lsupride87
Lol. Nice job white knighting for Joe Pa. Dude is a piece of shite, who enabled rape.
Posted on 4/11/22 at 2:06 pm to TheTexasTiger7
quote:I am simply discussing the actual article at hand. Paterno is just a lighting rod for this article because people like you won’t even open and read it
Lol. Nice job white knighting for Joe Pa
Posted on 4/11/22 at 2:27 pm to lsupride87
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I am simply discussing the actual article at hand. Paterno is just a lighting rod for this article because people like you won’t even open and read it
Yeah, having Paterno in the headline was click baiting. Nothing in the article suggested he covered anything up. It did appear that the writer was trying to bring across the point "why didn't he do more" which is fair. However nothing I read looked like he tried to cover anything up or purposely stalled the investigation.
Posted on 4/11/22 at 2:29 pm to lsupride87
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What article did you read? Nothing at all even hints at Paterno telling the players to help with his alibi
It clearlt hints at it. Whether or not that was intentional and misleading, I can't say. But it does sound like Joe encouraged Ragucci to help.
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"At 1920 hours Off. Kunes contacted Joe Paterno in an attempt to determine the location of Hodne since Hodne rooms with Fred Ragucci, a PSU football player. Paterno indicated that he would attempt to determine this by contacting Ragucci. Paterno asked to be recontacted on Sunday 10/15/78 at 1830 hours for further information."
Uhhh yeah give me 2 days and I'll try and find where he is. There was no second call on that Sunday. Hodne turns himself in on Monday, then
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Hodne had answers and alibis. Hodne said that on Sept. 1, he was in Philadelphia with Frank Brickowski, watching Penn State play Temple in its opening game of the season. He said that on Sept. 13, the night Betsy Sailor was raped, he was at a Phi Delt party with his girlfriend. On other days and at other times, he said he was hanging out with Tony Capozzoli in his room at Hamilton Hall.
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THREE DAYS after Hodne gave himself up to Duane Musser at State College Police headquarters, Musser went to 279 Hamilton Hall on the campus of Penn State to talk to Hodne's roommate, Fred Ragucci. "I didn't want to do it, to be honest," Ragucci says. "I'm with a roommate I didn't pick, and he's having this kind of problem—why am I involved? 'No,' Joe said. 'You have to do this. You have to talk to them.'"
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After the interview, Musser wrote a brief report, dated Oct. 19, 1978. "[Ragucci] was asked if he knew or ever heard of Todd Hodne speak of any of the following victims," the report reads. Musser then names five women, including Elizabeth Sailor. "He was asked if he could recall at what times on the following dates that Hodne left or returned to his room," the report reads. Musser then names four dates in September and October. Ragucci did not recognize the women's names nor recall the dates. "The knife used in this incident was shown to Ragucci," the report reads. "He stated that Hodne had a knife similar in appearance."
Posted on 4/11/22 at 2:30 pm to lsupride87
quote:
Here are the actual quotes
Two players said joe pa told them this
“Well, you got to tell the truth the best you can”
And the third player said Paterno told him this
“Todd Horne is guilty, and if you testify for him, you’re off the team”
This was after the initial hearing, and prior to the trial, when it was clear as day he raped the girl and there was nothing left to salvage on Joe Pa's end.
Posted on 4/11/22 at 2:32 pm to PP7 for heisman
quote:That was the only time the article mentioned joe pa talking to any players mentioned by Hodne for his alibi. It never once mentions, or even hints at, joe pa helping those players make an alibi for Hodne
This was after the initial hearing, and prior to the trial, when it was clear as day he raped the girl and there was nothing left to salvage on Joe Pa's end.
This post was edited on 4/11/22 at 2:32 pm
Posted on 4/11/22 at 2:36 pm to lsupride87
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That was the only time the article mentioned joe pa talking to any players mentioned by Hodne for his alibi. It never once mentions, or even hints at, joe pa helping those players make an alibi for Hodne
Right here.
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THREE DAYS after Hodne gave himself up to Duane Musser at State College Police headquarters, Musser went to 279 Hamilton Hall on the campus of Penn State to talk to Hodne's roommate, Fred Ragucci. "I didn't want to do it, to be honest," Ragucci says. "I'm with a roommate I didn't pick, and he's having this kind of problem—why am I involved? 'No,' Joe said. 'You have to do this. You have to talk to them.'"
After the interview, Musser wrote a brief report, dated Oct. 19, 1978. "[Ragucci] was asked if he knew or ever heard of Todd Hodne speak of any of the following victims," the report reads. Musser then names five women, including Elizabeth Sailor. "He was asked if he could recall at what times on the following dates that Hodne left or returned to his room," the report reads. Musser then names four dates in September and October. Ragucci did not recognize the women's names nor recall the dates. "The knife used in this incident was shown to Ragucci," the report reads. "He stated that Hodne had a knife similar in appearance."
look, I don't care one way or the other. It will not change my already extremly shitty opinion of Joe Pa
Just saying the article (whether or not this is a proper depiction of events, I don't know) makes it seem as if Joe Pa encouraged players to help with his alibi. I think they're simply letting the audience make an inference based on that sentence.
This post was edited on 4/11/22 at 2:39 pm
Posted on 4/11/22 at 2:38 pm to PP7 for heisman
So joe telling the player he has to talk to the cops, makes you “know” or “wish” joe pa was telling the player to cover for Hodne? That’s ridiculous
Posted on 4/11/22 at 2:39 pm to PP7 for heisman
quote:Anyone who does this is choosing to do so based on fantasy. Nothing at all remotely links Paterno to telling the players to help Hodne lie
Just saying the article (whether or not this is a proper depiction of events, I don't know) makes it seem as if Joe Pa encouraged players to help with his alibi. I think they're simply letting the audience make an inference based on that sentence.
Posted on 4/11/22 at 2:40 pm to lsupride87
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So joe telling the player he has to talk to the cops, makes you “know” or “wish” joe pa was telling the player to cover for Hodne? That’s ridiculous
I do not "know", nor do I "wish" Joe Pa was telling the player to cover for Hodne. I am just stating the way I interpreted the article, and how someone else could interpret it that way as well.
Posted on 4/11/22 at 2:41 pm to lsupride87
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Nothing at all remotely links Paterno to telling the players to help Hodne lie
This is where you're losing me. The author, clearly on purpose, tries to implicate Paterno in this. They could have been more clear on that part, but they weren't.
again, I do not care about this detail nor do I know what happened, but the article leads people to believe that joe pa could have POTENTIALLY been involved in hiding something. That's literally all I'm saying
This post was edited on 4/11/22 at 2:43 pm
Posted on 4/11/22 at 2:43 pm to PP7 for heisman
quote:And does so with zero facts or anything, in fact all the facts she provides in the article point to the opposite
The author, clearly on purpose, tries to implicate Paterno in this.
Only someone extremely gullible, or just as big a bias as the writer, comes away with this one particular incident being a stain on Paterno
The journalist interview with Karen where she is basically forcing words and thoughts into her is sad and pathetic
This post was edited on 4/11/22 at 2:45 pm
Posted on 4/11/22 at 2:45 pm to lsupride87
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Only someone extremely gullible, or just as big a bias as the writer,
You mean literally every liberal sports journo on twitter that will read this lol.
Besides Nancy Armour. To her, the worst day in big 10 history is still when they decided to play football in 2020.
This post was edited on 4/11/22 at 2:46 pm
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