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re: ESPN 30 for 30: O.J. Made In America
Posted on 6/15/16 at 4:46 pm to WestCoastAg
Posted on 6/15/16 at 4:46 pm to WestCoastAg
I want to know what embrace white society means. Because from what I can tell there aren't a lot things all white people agree on. Are Cletus the sister fricker from Alabama and Paris Hilton both part of the same white society?
This post was edited on 6/15/16 at 4:47 pm
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Posted on 6/15/16 at 4:48 pm to ProjectP2294
quote:I've already pointed to some examples of what that meant for OJ.
I want to know what embrace white society means. Because from what I can tell there aren't a lot things all white people agree on.
quote:no. But the gangster from south central LA and the Baptist preacher also aren't apart of the same black culture
Are Cletus the sister fricker from Alabama and Paris Hilton both part of the same white culture?
Posted on 6/15/16 at 4:53 pm to WestCoastAg
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But the gangster from south central LA and the Baptist preacher also aren't apart of the same black culture
I agree with that. But if there isn't one ubiquitous white society, how on earth could OJ have embraced it?
Posted on 6/15/16 at 5:24 pm to ProjectP2294
Being successful. Being polite. Being nice. Not making other people feel uncomfortable. Not being brooding or angry. Not complaining. Act inclusive and not exclusive. Have friends of all types, not just those who look just like you.
Are these the so called traits of acting white? Because I reject that characterization.
Are these the so called traits of acting white? Because I reject that characterization.
Posted on 6/15/16 at 5:30 pm to Jimbeaux
Probably had more to do that he often associated himself with white people and constantly rejected the notion of participating in the civil rights movement and that advertisers believed he was relatable to white people
This post was edited on 6/15/16 at 5:31 pm
Posted on 6/15/16 at 5:32 pm to Bench McElroy
Definitely shows him n a different light, but 'F' him!
Posted on 6/15/16 at 5:32 pm to WestCoastAg
quote:
already pointed to some examples of what that meant for OJ. quote:
You were like 9 years old when this happened... You don'tknow shite... STFU about the whole subject...
But the whole show is stupid IMO... Its ABC'S way of bring a WHOLE race to the forefront... Using O.J. as an example.. The guy commited double murder... Why so much attention to A POS person I will never know/......../
Posted on 6/15/16 at 5:43 pm to WestCoastAg
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Probably had more to do that he often associated himself with white people and constantly rejected the notion of participating in the civil rights movement and that advertisers believed he was relatable to white people
These points really have no meaning unless the speaker is himself assuming that being black is somehow different/inferior to being white.
He hung out with people he considered successful, black or white. The vast majority of whites saw him as a super star. He was talented, smart, attractive, and personable.
1970 was not the same time period as 1940 in America.
Posted on 6/15/16 at 5:44 pm to Jimbeaux
Whitlock is complimentary of this show and ESPN for their showing things.
Whitlock usually gets a bad rap because people don't read or hear what he actually writes or says.
Whitlock usually gets a bad rap because people don't read or hear what he actually writes or says.
Posted on 6/15/16 at 5:52 pm to Jimbeaux
quote:what?
These points really have no meaning unless the speaker is himself assuming that being black is somehow different/inferior to being white.
quote:so why didn't Muhammad Ali have the same effect then? Why didn't kareem? Why was OJ such a larger icon during that time?
The vast majority of whites saw him as a super star. He was talented, smart, attractive, and personable.
quote:the late 60s/early 70s was one of the most racial divisive periods in American history
1970 was not the same time period as 1940 in America.
This post was edited on 6/15/16 at 5:53 pm
Posted on 6/15/16 at 6:05 pm to WestCoastAg
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didn't Muhammad Ali have the same effect then? Why didn't kareem? Why was OJ such a larger icon during that time?
You're making my point for me. Ali was more polarizing because of his bombastic personality, his self-aggrandizement, his taking on the Muslim name and faith, essentially siding with a group known to be radical, aggressive, angry, etc. Kareem had a shy personality as he also chose to be a Muslim, seemingly brooding and part of a separatist identity.
They embraced their victimness. O.J. did not.
Posted on 6/15/16 at 6:07 pm to Jimbeaux
quote:EXACTLY. ie, they didnt embrace white american culture like OJ did. white people looked at them, saw them as unrelatable, and didnt latch on like they did to OJ. you just made my point for me. white people didnt just see them as normal people like they did to themselves. they saw them as apart of a different group. just like black people thought about white people at that time. they didnt view one another as the same. OJ, however, did. he wasnt interested in being caught up with being a "black" celebrity figure and because of that, white people liked him
Ali was more polarizing because of his bombastic personality, his self-aggrandizement, his taking on the Muslim name and faith, essentially siding with a group known to be radical, aggressive, angry, etc. Kareem had a shy personality as he also chose to be a Muslim, seemingly brooding and part of a separatist identity.
quote:no they didnt
They embraced their victimness. O.J. did not.
they just didnt embrace the culture of white america like OJ did.
This post was edited on 6/15/16 at 6:10 pm
Posted on 6/15/16 at 6:16 pm to WestCoastAg
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he wasnt interested in being caught up with being a "black" celebrity figure and because of that, white people liked himquote:
Who should really care???? The dude commited A DOUBLE MURDER and they are trying to glorify him... You think that's cool or something... I thought O.J. was da shite when I was growing up.. But he turned out to be a SELFISH ME ME ME person and killed his innocent wife and a guy hat just happened to be at the wrong place at the wrong time... Screw O.J. and ANYTHING he stands for.....
Posted on 6/15/16 at 6:27 pm to dukke v
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and killed his innocent wife and a guy hat just happened to be at the wrong place at the wrong time.
Dude, seriously? He was at the right place, wrong time.
It's well-known now that Ron Goldman was seeing Nicole and had a romantic relationship with Nicole (despite his families insistence otherwise right after to not muddle the waters)
So I don't know why you are still perpetuating that 20 year old myth? OJ probably targeted both of them for awhile.
Goldman was seeing driving OJ's Ferrari around town. OJ even apparently spied on them having sex.
And as Chris Rock said..."you could leave a baby in the coat check room and the restaurant won't run to your house to return it, let alone a pair of sunglasses."
This post was edited on 6/15/16 at 6:29 pm
Posted on 6/15/16 at 6:29 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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Dude, seriously? It's well-known now that Ron Goldman was seeing Nicole and had a romantic relationship with Nicole (despite his families insistence otherwise right after to not muddle the waters) So I don't know why you are still perpetuating that 20 year old myth? OJ probably targeted both of them for awhile. Goldman was seeing driving OJ's Ferrari around town. OJ even apparently spied on them having sex.
OK.. Whatever... That gave O.J. the right to slaughter both of them???? NO... And yet they are STILL trying to keep him relevant... WHY??? He is a double murderer.. Scum of the fricking earth...
Posted on 6/15/16 at 6:30 pm to dukke v
Yeah that gave him the right. 
That's what I'm saying. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
You said wrong place, wrong time.
That wasn't the case.
Goldman was probably targeted too. And if he wasn't then he was at the place he wanted to be - wrong time.
That's what I'm saying. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
You said wrong place, wrong time.
That wasn't the case.
Goldman was probably targeted too. And if he wasn't then he was at the place he wanted to be - wrong time.
Posted on 6/15/16 at 6:33 pm to WestCoastAg
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Embracing the culture of white America
This term has no meaning.
You are criticizing the man for not being anti-white enough. Whites were just glad to be able to be fans of a super star who happened to be black who also wasn't anti-white.
Whites looked at O.J. and saw a great man. (Until he turned out to be a killer!)
Blacks resented O.J. for not being anti-white while also being successful. If you're stuck wallowing in your victimness, successful members of your victim class make you look bad by comparison.
But once blacks saw that O.J. started using the black-as
-Uber-victim defense, they embraced him back into the fold of the victim class. It was like the prodigal son had returned. The fact that he was obviously a bloody murderer was of no consequence to them. Welcome back, O.J.!!
Posted on 6/15/16 at 6:39 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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You said wrong place, wrong time. That wasn't the case.
Ok.ut this has ZERO relevance to the topic... What are you trying to prove??? I don't care If Goldman was boning her or not... I don't see how this matters....
Did you see Him driving the car??? Did YOU see them having sex??? I doubt it... And O.J. will say ANYTHING to make HIM the victim.... POOR little O.J. People were not doing things his way....
Posted on 6/15/16 at 6:48 pm to dukke v
It matters that you stated facts wrong and implied he didn't know her. Wrong place, wrong time implies some total random dude got caught up in OJ's rage and jealousy...when in fact, OJ might have targeted Goldman as well.
This post was edited on 6/15/16 at 6:49 pm
Posted on 6/15/16 at 6:54 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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It matters that you stated facts wrong and implied he didn't know her.
I never said he didn't know her.... I am sure they had spent time together... But YOU sound like you have PROOF they were banging each other and that Goldman was driving O.J.'s car around... Do you have proof of this???? I don't remember this at trial....
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