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re: DoCho's Bowl Prediction Algorithm: Day 3
Posted on 12/24/13 at 11:33 am to DollaChoppa
Posted on 12/24/13 at 11:33 am to DollaChoppa
Did you run this algorithm during the season?
It seems bowl season would be a tough time to start an algorithm. Conference games at least a lot of the teams have common opponents. Bowl games are against out of conference teams, which seems like it will result in more error.
It seems bowl season would be a tough time to start an algorithm. Conference games at least a lot of the teams have common opponents. Bowl games are against out of conference teams, which seems like it will result in more error.
Posted on 12/24/13 at 11:38 am to bamafan425
Let's not forget this algorithm had Colorado St. as a double digit winner and they needed a horseshoe up their arse to cover.
Posted on 12/24/13 at 11:48 am to JG77056
Very true.
Just seems that bowl season would be the least reliable for algorithms. So many intangibles. Motivation, new coaches, academic suspensions, etc. Plus bowl games always seem to have crazy things happen in them moreso than regular games. Trick plays, onside kicks, fake kicks, fumbles, and interceptions.
Just seems that bowl season would be the least reliable for algorithms. So many intangibles. Motivation, new coaches, academic suspensions, etc. Plus bowl games always seem to have crazy things happen in them moreso than regular games. Trick plays, onside kicks, fake kicks, fumbles, and interceptions.
Posted on 12/24/13 at 11:53 am to bamafan425
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Did you run this algorithm during the season? It seems bowl season would be a tough time to start an algorithm. Conference games at least a lot of the teams have common opponents. Bowl games are against out of conference teams, which seems like it will result in more error.
I started running mine the week of October 12, and tracked the results of all 4 models.
LINK
You can view the results there and use that data to cherry pick various angles as it breaks down the results into a lot of cross tabs.
Unfortunately, since pretty much all bowl games are at neutral sites the home/away breakdowns won't do much good.
This post was edited on 12/24/13 at 11:54 am
Posted on 12/24/13 at 12:00 pm to goldennugget
I knew you have been running yours for awhile, nugg.
I was wondering about DollaChoppa.

I was wondering about DollaChoppa.
Posted on 12/24/13 at 5:37 pm to bamafan425
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It seems bowl season would be a tough time to start an algorithm. Conference games at least a lot of the teams have common opponents. Bowl games are against out of conference teams, which seems like it will result in more error.
I agree with all of this.
And those are the reasons why I am doing it
I was very rushed in finishing up my algorithm. There are lots of revisions I can make to it, but I still think it can be successful the way it is. It just may not be as great of a return as Id like
This post was edited on 12/24/13 at 5:38 pm
Posted on 12/24/13 at 6:38 pm to bamafan425
Im working on it right now. I want to finish a new version before the new years eve games.
Posted on 12/24/13 at 8:34 pm to DollaChoppa
Your algorithm has a lot of work to do in the 2nd half 

Posted on 12/24/13 at 8:35 pm to DollaChoppa
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Today's game is Boise St vs Oregon State. The lines I see have Oregon State as a 3 point favorite. My algorithm has selected Boise State as the winner. OSU was placed in the cluster expected to lose, usually by double digits, while BSU was placed in the cluster expected to win, usually by double digits. My algorithm gives BSU an 82.4% chance to beat the spread, and also win the game. It gives BSU a 72.5% chance to win the game by double digits
BSU +3. $ in the bank
So...
Posted on 12/24/13 at 8:37 pm to ItNeverRains
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Your algorithm has a lot of work to do in the 2nd half

Posted on 12/24/13 at 8:46 pm to HumbleNinja
My man you can just flush that algorithm down the toilet
Posted on 12/24/13 at 9:36 pm to goldennugget
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I started running mine the week of October 12, and tracked the results of all 4 models.
LINK
You can view the results there and use that data to cherry pick various angles as it breaks down the results into a lot of cross tabs.
Unfortunately, since pretty much all bowl games are at neutral sites the home/away breakdowns won't do much good.
You have the average score as 25.9-30.4. I assume the latter is the home team?
Posted on 12/24/13 at 11:02 pm to DollaChoppa
Keep your head up DoCho
I believe
I believe
Posted on 12/24/13 at 11:09 pm to Louie T
Thanks. This is a pretty clear 33% er.
Im gonna try to do some serious tweaks before the games on the 26.
Here are my tasks:
1. Double the number of data points.
2. Possibly weight them by year for relevance. The game changes significantly year to year
3. Include NCAA SOS as a metric upon which clusters can split.
4. Experiment with the number of clusters to see the resulting ranges and tree purity.
5. Look at correlation between variables in order to prune the tree
Im gonna try to do some serious tweaks before the games on the 26.
Here are my tasks:
1. Double the number of data points.
2. Possibly weight them by year for relevance. The game changes significantly year to year
3. Include NCAA SOS as a metric upon which clusters can split.
4. Experiment with the number of clusters to see the resulting ranges and tree purity.
5. Look at correlation between variables in order to prune the tree
Posted on 12/24/13 at 11:11 pm to BigBrian774
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My man you can just flush that algorithm down the toilet

Posted on 12/24/13 at 11:14 pm to DollaChoppa
Mathematical capping is nearly impossible with bowl season because of motivation and coaching changes. I've done extremely well with my #s during the regular season but generally stay far away from bowl season because of this.
I still cap individual games but don't put nearly as much credence into my comp stats.
I still cap individual games but don't put nearly as much credence into my comp stats.
Posted on 12/24/13 at 11:18 pm to Louie T
The bigger the challenge it is, the more excited I get about it. The more I fail the harder I want to work.
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