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re: Did Curry just have the worst finals for an MVP, ever?
Posted on 6/21/16 at 7:42 pm to buckeye_vol
Posted on 6/21/16 at 7:42 pm to buckeye_vol
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So your assertion is that his poor play is solely due to an injury? It wasn't due to anything else like fatigue, defensive schemes, and just plain poor play?
There is certainly a factor of defensive scheme in there,most definitely. Both the Thunder and Cavs limited the Green/Curry PnR by putting KD/LeBron on Green...but it was certainly more effective given his injuries.
Curry is making a great case for an all timer, if his body holds up.
Now he has his own monkey on his back after this year-winning Finals MVP.
The record is something he will have to live with forever, much like LeBron in 2011.
It's not the end of the world, as proven.
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Posted on 6/21/16 at 7:46 pm to buckeye_vol
Oh I'm sure those all played a part. Relax, I'm not trying to take anything away from your team.
Curry was injured, though. It was pretty clear to anyone who's been paying attention all year.
Curry was injured, though. It was pretty clear to anyone who's been paying attention all year.
Posted on 6/21/16 at 7:46 pm to NawlinsTiger9
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This is just plain silly. The body can only do so much. If you're hurt, you're hurt.
Physical durability is a part of greatness.
I feel certain that the team docs aren't going to put him out there with a structurally unstable knee. If they did, that would be negligent. So if that's the case, he's just dealing with pain. If you're great, deal with pain and get the job done.
This post was edited on 6/21/16 at 7:51 pm
Posted on 6/21/16 at 7:47 pm to Goldrush25
Physical durability has a lot more to do with luck than anything else, honestly.
Posted on 6/21/16 at 7:49 pm to NawlinsTiger9
Does luck play a part? Sure. Is luck bigger than anything else? You cannot be serious.
Posted on 6/21/16 at 8:15 pm to JohnnyKilroy
I mean these guys are taken care of nonstop by team doctors and they keep their body in peak physical condition 24/7.
That being said, if you severely injure yourself and tear a ligament or break a bone, there's not a lot an individual can do to prevent that.
Curry's injury happened on a motion he's done a million times, it just went wrong that time.
That being said, if you severely injure yourself and tear a ligament or break a bone, there's not a lot an individual can do to prevent that.
Curry's injury happened on a motion he's done a million times, it just went wrong that time.
Posted on 6/21/16 at 8:19 pm to Goldrush25
It's just crazy to me that you think injuries are that cut and dry.
Posted on 6/21/16 at 8:26 pm to NawlinsTiger9
He had a Grade I MCL sprain. There wasn't a macro-tear that would require surgery. His knee was structurally sound as far as we know.
Might he have had a mental block where he didn't trust the knee and felt like he might re-injure it? Maybe. Guys with that kind of injury usually have a couple of months to gradually test the knee and get that confidence back. That's understandable.
But I'm not buying that they put someone out there that was at risk. When he made his return I think he was more hurt than injured. If he was still injured than he shouldn't have played.
In the sports world injuries are cut and dry. Can he play or not? If he can't that's understandable. If he can no one is going to feel sorry for him.
Might he have had a mental block where he didn't trust the knee and felt like he might re-injure it? Maybe. Guys with that kind of injury usually have a couple of months to gradually test the knee and get that confidence back. That's understandable.
But I'm not buying that they put someone out there that was at risk. When he made his return I think he was more hurt than injured. If he was still injured than he shouldn't have played.
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It's just crazy to me that you think injuries are that cut and dry.
In the sports world injuries are cut and dry. Can he play or not? If he can't that's understandable. If he can no one is going to feel sorry for him.
This post was edited on 6/21/16 at 8:35 pm
Posted on 6/21/16 at 8:46 pm to Goldrush25
Have you ever played a sport? You can definitely be well enough to play and not be 100%. I think you're being purposely obtuse at this point.
Posted on 6/21/16 at 8:57 pm to Smoke7024
I'm saying I don't agree that Steph gets some kind of immunity because he's out there injured.
If he plays well, "oh look at that guy, gutting it out. Hes courageous."
If he doesn't play well, "well what'd you expect he was injured. You can't judge him by that."
If he plays well, "oh look at that guy, gutting it out. Hes courageous."
If he doesn't play well, "well what'd you expect he was injured. You can't judge him by that."
Posted on 6/21/16 at 9:03 pm to Goldrush25
I'm not even talking about Curry. I'm talking about your comment in general.
Take Curry out of it all together and look at how ridiculous your comments about injury and how it effects play are in this thread.
Take Curry out of it all together and look at how ridiculous your comments about injury and how it effects play are in this thread.
Posted on 6/21/16 at 9:04 pm to Goldrush25
quote:But he played signicantly better the series before against the Thunder. In fact, Durant and Westbrook were the two players who were far less efficient than they typically are.
In the sports world injuries are cut and dry. Can he play or not? If he can't that's understandable. If he can no one is going to feel sorry for him.
So if he played that well post-injury in the series before, why do we assume that his poor performance was primarily related to injury in the Finals? I'm not pretending he was 100% BUT it appears that he just played poorly in the Finals.
Not to mention, his play dropped off last year in the Finals too, although not as much. Maybe he just plays worse in the Finals.
This post was edited on 6/21/16 at 9:06 pm
Posted on 6/21/16 at 9:10 pm to buckeye_vol
Personally, I thought he looked like he didn't cut as well after the injury than he did before he was hurt in any series.
I don't think Portland was good enough for it to make much of a difference. It showed more as competition got better. Cleveland definitely defended him well though. I don't think it's a slight to the Cavs at all to say that he wasn't 100%. It seems as though some are taking it that way.
I don't think Portland was good enough for it to make much of a difference. It showed more as competition got better. Cleveland definitely defended him well though. I don't think it's a slight to the Cavs at all to say that he wasn't 100%. It seems as though some are taking it that way.
Posted on 6/21/16 at 9:16 pm to Smoke7024
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Take Curry out of it all together and look at how ridiculous your comments about injury and how it effects play are in this thread.
What specifically was ridiculous?
Posted on 6/21/16 at 9:18 pm to NawlinsTiger9
Was Curry hurt last season when he shot 38% from 3?
Posted on 6/21/16 at 9:23 pm to buckeye_vol
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So if he played that well post-injury in the series before, why do we assume that his poor performance was primarily related to injury in the Finals? I'm not pretending he was 100% BUT it appears that he just played poorly in the Finals.
I'm not even saying he wasn't affected by his injury, but you're right. There was clear evidence that he was still able to perform at a high level after the injury. So I find it difficult to believe that the injury was the primary reason for the drop off.
Posted on 6/21/16 at 9:23 pm to Goldrush25
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What specifically was ridiculous?
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I feel certain that the team docs aren't going to put him out there with a structurally unstable knee. If they did, that would be negligent. So if that's the case, he's just dealing with pain. If you're great, deal with pain and get the job done.
That's really not true at all. You can be well enough to play and not be well enough to perform at 100%. It's not always how much pain you can endure.
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Might he have had a mental block where he didn't trust the knee and felt like he might re-injure it? Maybe. Guys with that kind of injury usually have a couple of months to gradually test the knee and get that confidence back. That's understandable. But I'm not buying that they put someone out there that was at risk. When he made his return I think he was more hurt than injured. If he was still injured than he shouldn't have played.
Again. Just because you can play doesn't mean you can perform at 100% of your ability.
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In the sports world injuries are cut and dry.
No, they're not really.
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Can he play or not? If he can't that's understandable. If he can no one is going to feel sorry for him.
No one is trying to feel sorry for him. Sometimes you can just look at a guy and tell he isn't moving around as well as he was at 100%.
I think some of you seem to think it's a slight to Cleveland to admit that Curry wasn't 100%. I'm sure the Warriors would rather have an 80% Curry/Livingston than a Livingston/whoever playing instead.
Posted on 6/21/16 at 9:25 pm to NawlinsTiger9
quote:Oh my goodness
Physical durability has a lot more to do with luck than anything else, honestly.
Posted on 6/21/16 at 9:38 pm to ReauxlTide222
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Was Curry hurt last season when he shot 38% from 3?
I'll never understand the way so many come to Curry's defense using the injury excuse. First it was "he'll have multiple surgeries this summer", even talking heads were saying it. Now come to find out there are no surgeries planned for him.
An injury doesn't excuse the fact that he had Love beat off the dribble yet insisted on trying to shoot a 3, or effectively faking Shumpert out on the shot and getting a good look but miss it badly. Curry looked real fine when Kyrie rocked him to sleep on that go-ahead 3.
Curry sucked it up, it needs to be left at that.
Posted on 6/21/16 at 9:46 pm to 13SaintTiger
It's the new way to hate on Lebron. Can't just come out and say "Lebron sucks" anymore. This is the best way to discredit the man. First it was Durant. I remember RTR and other saying Kawhi was better. Now it's Curry. Allllll better than Lebron. Like most of the time, these nerds are wrong.
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