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re: Did Curry just have the worst finals for an MVP, ever?
Posted on 6/21/16 at 4:22 pm to NawlinsTiger9
Posted on 6/21/16 at 4:22 pm to NawlinsTiger9
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No shite right? He was very obviously injured.
this is retarded
he was not injured to the point that he couldn't shake Kevin Love. He played bad basketball. You live by the 3, you die by the 3. He still could have went around his defender. He did it plenty of times.
It probably had more to do with the fact that every game he was guaranteed to get his shite thrown by Lebron at least once, so he kept throwing up garbage 3s.
Literally anyone who gets significant playing time is banged up in the finals.
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Posted on 6/21/16 at 4:32 pm to cas4t
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Literally anyone who gets significant playing time is banged up in the finals.
again there's a difference between someone who is banged up and you can't tell that they're banged up by watching them (ie nagging injuries) v someone who is obviously off their game due to injury(more serious than being just "banged up")
Posted on 6/21/16 at 4:35 pm to Boomshockalocka
Yall are making excuses for him before you even know if he was banged up. His latest injury was his ankle. When your ankle is injured, you limp. He just shot poorly vs the Cavs.
Posted on 6/21/16 at 4:35 pm to cas4t
He had already missed time in these very playoffs due to two significant injuries and you're dismissing the idea that maybe he was still injured?
And My post was retarded?
And My post was retarded?
This post was edited on 6/21/16 at 4:36 pm
Posted on 6/21/16 at 4:36 pm to cas4t
Excuses and explanations aren't the same thing.
Posted on 6/21/16 at 4:38 pm to slackster
I was really just talking about last year's finals. It seems like Curry's finals performance last year is being exaggerated in a negative way because he didn't play well this year and he didn't win finals MVP last year.
A lot of people were shocked that he didn't win it last year. Iggy won it mostly because he played great one on one defense on Lebron and helped keep his shooting average less than 40%.
A lot of people were shocked that he didn't win it last year. Iggy won it mostly because he played great one on one defense on Lebron and helped keep his shooting average less than 40%.
Posted on 6/21/16 at 4:39 pm to NawlinsTiger9
Shouldn't the MSB be say something like "better to win the MVP and play like shite in the Finals then win the MVP and not get there"?
Posted on 6/21/16 at 4:53 pm to ReauxlTide222
From Basketball-Reference.com, starting 1955-56 season:
32 times the League MVP made the Finals (29 times failed to make Finals)
Avg Points - 25.5
Avg Rebounds - 12.7
Avg Assists - 5.4
2016 Curry
Points - 8th Worst
Rebounds - 5th Worst
Assists - 11th Worst
Up there with worst Finals performance by a League MVP, but I submit this hidden gem:
1989 Magic Johnson - 11.7 ppg, 3.7 rebounds, 8.0 assists
Looked it up, Magic Johnson pulled his hamstring in Game 2
32 times the League MVP made the Finals (29 times failed to make Finals)
Avg Points - 25.5
Avg Rebounds - 12.7
Avg Assists - 5.4
2016 Curry
Points - 8th Worst
Rebounds - 5th Worst
Assists - 11th Worst
Up there with worst Finals performance by a League MVP, but I submit this hidden gem:
1989 Magic Johnson - 11.7 ppg, 3.7 rebounds, 8.0 assists
Looked it up, Magic Johnson pulled his hamstring in Game 2
Posted on 6/21/16 at 5:15 pm to NawlinsTiger9
What explanation? Y'all are assuming he was too banged up to get past Kevin love, which is idiotic.
Posted on 6/21/16 at 5:16 pm to NawlinsTiger9
He had an ankle injury which clearly wasn't affecting him, as he wasn't limping. Have you ever had an ankle injury?
Posted on 6/21/16 at 5:30 pm to ReauxlTide222
Curry
Thompson
Dwight
Durant
Green
They would still lose to the Cavs
Thompson
Dwight
Durant
Green
They would still lose to the Cavs
Posted on 6/21/16 at 6:19 pm to cas4t
So you're under the impression that injuries have to be blatantly obvious to the casual observer in order for them to affect performance?
I'm just trying to figure your stance on this out, because as of now it's not making much sense to me.
I watched Curry all year, as most people here did, and he was not at all close to 100% in the Finals. (Or the western conference finals, for that matter.)
I'm just trying to figure your stance on this out, because as of now it's not making much sense to me.
I watched Curry all year, as most people here did, and he was not at all close to 100% in the Finals. (Or the western conference finals, for that matter.)
This post was edited on 6/21/16 at 6:20 pm
Posted on 6/21/16 at 6:46 pm to NawlinsTiger9
quote:They don't have to be blatantly obvious, but the fact that he was running faster post-injury puts question into the severity of an injury.
So you're under the impression that injuries have to be blatantly obvious to the casual observer in order for them to affect performance?
Besides, Curry's worst problems were more related to carelessness than ability.
Besides I think a lot of it was fatigue. He had to play many more minutes than he typically does, and we do similar issues last year. This isn't uncommon for shooters though.
Posted on 6/21/16 at 6:53 pm to NawlinsTiger9
quote:Post-injury but before Cleveland he averaged 29.7/6.7/6.4 and shot over 40% from 3. Why didn't the injury negatively impact him then?
I watched Curry all year, as most people here did, and he was not at all close to 100% in the Finals. (Or the western conference finals, for that matter.)
This post was edited on 6/21/16 at 6:54 pm
Posted on 6/21/16 at 7:07 pm to NawlinsTiger9
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I watched Curry all year, as most people here did, and he was not at all close to 100% in the Finals. (Or the western conference finals, for that matter.)
I'm not even denying he was injured. I'm saying it doesn't matter once you reach a certain strata of NBA excellence.
If you're the best, you do the extraordinary. Obviously when it comes to adversity, what we discovered is he's not quite that level of player.
This post was edited on 6/21/16 at 7:08 pm
Posted on 6/21/16 at 7:12 pm to buckeye_vol
quote:
Why didn't the injury negatively impact him then?
It certainly did
quote:
. Since his first injury, in Game 1 against the Houston Rockets, Curry hasn’t really been Curry. He’s struggled to turn the corner on defenders on his way to the rim, and he’s had a troubling turnover rate, which may have happened (in part) because he found himself with unfamiliar passing lanes after being unable to create his usual space. Curry’s dropoff was also evident in his shooting weeks ago, and it hasn’t improved. Since his return, Curry has been worse in virtually every significant metric — even compared to his pre-injury performance against the same opponents:
GAMES 3 POINT PERC. 2 POINT PERC. GAME SCORE
Pre-injury, non-playoff opponents 44.8% 56.5% 24.3
RECORD WIN PERC.
61-7 89.7%
GAMES
Pre-injury, playoff opponents 49.6 56.6 25.8
RECORD WIN PERC.
11-1 91.7
GAMES
Post-injury 39.3 48.5 17.1
RECORD WIN PERC.
10-7 58.8
Post-injury Steph played worse, won less
quote:
The Warriors ended up losing as many games in the playoffs as they did in the regular season, finishing with a particularly un-GOATish 7-7 stretch against Oklahoma City and Cleveland. Although a 14-game break-even stretch doesn’t sound horrible, it would be highly improbable for a team that won 90 percent of its games, as the Warriors had with Curry playing. Of course, the Thunder and Cavaliers were stronger than the Warriors’ typical opponents
quote:
There can be no diminishing the accomplishments of LeBron James and the Cleveland Cavaliers, who came back from a 3-1 series deficit to end the Golden State Warriors’ reign as NBA champions. King James deserves every accolade he receives — and I’m sure he’ll have words for the doubters who didn’t think this was possible
This post was edited on 6/21/16 at 7:18 pm
Posted on 6/21/16 at 7:15 pm to RonBurgundy
But he didn't play THAT much worse. Besides we expect players to be a bit less efficient in the playoffs anyways since the competition is better and at a higher intensity level.
My point is that the major drop-off occured during this series so unless his injury worsened signicantly then it's likely other factors that contributed to his performance/
My point is that the major drop-off occured during this series so unless his injury worsened signicantly then it's likely other factors that contributed to his performance/
Posted on 6/21/16 at 7:27 pm to buckeye_vol
well the data actually suggests he played significantly better against better competition before the injury, from nearly 50% from 3 to 40%....57% from 2 to 49%...GameScore(imperfect) of 26 to 17...those are pretty big drop offs
The knee injury has been discussed by just about every NBA guru, he's simply not turning on right angles...which in a game designed around angles was big.
The shoulder and elbow injuries effected his shooting too.
Steph was playing at a level that was changing how basketball was being played during the season. He was injured in the playoffs.
That being said, the series was over when the Cavs made the chess move of inciting Green to get a tech...then coupled with a lucky break(Bogut going down)...GSW defense was never the same.
They outsmarted the Ws to live another day and then caught fire.
It was brilliant.
The Ws could have beaten the Cavs with an injured Steph, but with the other variables it was too much.
These teams were obviously much closer than what people wanted to say pre Finals.
The knee injury has been discussed by just about every NBA guru, he's simply not turning on right angles...which in a game designed around angles was big.
The shoulder and elbow injuries effected his shooting too.
Steph was playing at a level that was changing how basketball was being played during the season. He was injured in the playoffs.
That being said, the series was over when the Cavs made the chess move of inciting Green to get a tech...then coupled with a lucky break(Bogut going down)...GSW defense was never the same.
They outsmarted the Ws to live another day and then caught fire.
It was brilliant.
The Ws could have beaten the Cavs with an injured Steph, but with the other variables it was too much.
These teams were obviously much closer than what people wanted to say pre Finals.
This post was edited on 6/21/16 at 7:29 pm
Posted on 6/21/16 at 7:35 pm to Goldrush25
quote:
I'm not even denying he was injured. I'm saying it doesn't matter once you reach a certain strata of NBA excellence.
If you're the best, you do the extraordinary. Obviously when it comes to adversity, what we discovered is he's not quite that level of player.
This is just plain silly. The body can only do so much. If you're hurt, you're hurt.
Posted on 6/21/16 at 7:38 pm to NawlinsTiger9
quote:So your assertion is that his poor play is solely due to an injury? It wasn't due to anything else like fatigue, defensive schemes, and just plain poor play?
This is just plain silly. The body can only do so much. If you're hurt, you're hurt.
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