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re: Dark Side Of the Ring: The The Plane Ride From Hell
Posted on 9/21/21 at 12:40 am to pioneerbasketball
Posted on 9/21/21 at 12:40 am to pioneerbasketball
It's a no-win situation for the guys that were accused of bad things in this episode. If they do the interview, the producers/directors have editorial control and can take your words out of context and splice them how they did with Dreamer against the alleged vcitim, and, no matter how much they deny the allegations or point out that the flight attnedent had a criminal record, they will always come off as the bad guy.
If they don't go on camera, then they don't get a chance to defend themselves.
The case was settled, which, technically means no party was at fault nor exonerated.
If they don't go on camera, then they don't get a chance to defend themselves.
The case was settled, which, technically means no party was at fault nor exonerated.
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Posted on 9/21/21 at 8:52 am to teke184
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And she has a point because the company’s bullshite got him killed.
Yeah, there seems to be backlash on wrestling Twitter from Fed fans.
Look, you love WWE? Cool.
But shitting on Owens widow for not wanting to do business with the company that KILLED him is pretty classless.
Posted on 9/21/21 at 10:30 am to Jack Ruby
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The case was settled, which, technically means no party was at fault nor exonerated.
This is the part that bakes my brain. The flight attendants who settled with WWE over the plane ride, had to have signed an NDA as a condition of the settlement. WWE would be stupid not to have them sign it. So the flight attendant who was the main focus of the DSOTR episode had to have broken her NDA doing the interviews. But...as WWE, the optics of then turning around and holding her to the NDA in court are god awful. Especially in today's social climate.
Posted on 9/21/21 at 10:43 am to Cajunhawk81
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But...as WWE, the optics of then turning around and holding her to the NDA in court are god awful. Especially in today's social climate.
Which why is why I suggested the theory that this is true reason Flair got/asked for his release of a contract that reportedly paid him around 30k a month.
He cut a promo at NWA 73 thanking Vince.
Now WWE doesn’t have to fire him as a reaction for something he should’ve been fired for 20 years ago.
ETA Flairs second statement that he made today
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“To clarify, the ‘helicopter’ as it was called, is accurate. I wish I could blame it on youth, but it was a case of drinking too much and being inappropriate and I apologize for that (and have countless times over the years). “I made some bad decisions during dark periods in my life, and it is something I’ve spent a significant part of years I was given by the doctors in 2017 trying to make right. “I condemn sexual assault in any way, shape or form. I could (and have) written books (as have others) that have covered my transgressions. I’ve made some terrible decisions, but I’ve never forced myself on anyone in any way. Period.”
This post was edited on 9/21/21 at 10:49 am
Posted on 9/22/21 at 1:45 am to ThanosIsADemocrat
Perhaps everything the flight attendant said is true, but Flair believed in his mind that it was all just fun and games and that he was not hurting anyone. He felt that she was just playing hard to get…
But that is no excuse. Flair would’ve been 53 at the time. The helicopter part alone is disturbing enough, but a 53 year old man should know better than to corner a woman in a small room with his package fully exposed. Whether or not he intended it to be good-natured humor, it is sexual harassment (and depending on the nuances of the law, sexual assault).
Flair is noticeably cagey on the specifics. He doesn’t deny any particular detail of what his accuser said. He just broadly condemns sexual assault and says that he didn’t force himself onto her. Okay, but did you or did you not walk into a small room with her while your genitals were exposed? He has said in the past that this was commonplace with him: he'd play "I show you mine, you show me yours" with flight attendants. Numerous were enamored with him, which made him feel that his actions were justified.
But that is no excuse. Flair would’ve been 53 at the time. The helicopter part alone is disturbing enough, but a 53 year old man should know better than to corner a woman in a small room with his package fully exposed. Whether or not he intended it to be good-natured humor, it is sexual harassment (and depending on the nuances of the law, sexual assault).
Flair is noticeably cagey on the specifics. He doesn’t deny any particular detail of what his accuser said. He just broadly condemns sexual assault and says that he didn’t force himself onto her. Okay, but did you or did you not walk into a small room with her while your genitals were exposed? He has said in the past that this was commonplace with him: he'd play "I show you mine, you show me yours" with flight attendants. Numerous were enamored with him, which made him feel that his actions were justified.
This post was edited on 9/22/21 at 7:49 pm
Posted on 9/22/21 at 1:58 am to moontigr
This happens on a commercial plane they would be on a no fly list.
Posted on 9/22/21 at 3:46 am to pioneerbasketball
One of the biggest takeaways is that Flair, even though he had admitted in the past, really is just a perpetual 17 year old teenager. I mean the helicopter is shite you saw in high school locker rooms or frat parties after everyone was 9 kegs deep.
I just wonder how many wrestlers will ever go on Dark Side of the Ring again after this.
I just wonder how many wrestlers will ever go on Dark Side of the Ring again after this.
Posted on 9/22/21 at 8:16 am to Jack Ruby
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I just wonder how many wrestlers will ever go on Dark Side of the Ring again after this.
I wondered this too, and thought the producers should be careful or they may lose a lot of interviewees.
But the reality is most wrestlers will do anything for a buck or two.
Posted on 9/22/21 at 8:49 am to Master of Sinanju
They’ve already been caught lying multiple times to fit an agenda and I think most people are catching on to that.
But like you said, most of these guys are terrible with their money so they’ll say whatever you need them to for a few K, truth be damned.
But like you said, most of these guys are terrible with their money so they’ll say whatever you need them to for a few K, truth be damned.
Posted on 9/22/21 at 1:49 pm to Jack Ruby
Watched the episode last night. I dont know anything about planes, but when the two guys were fighting, were them going through the emergency doors a real possibility?
Im assuming Vince flew back on a different plane?
Justin Credible seems like a legit normal dude. And RVD, but you can tell he is a wrestler at heart.
I was wondering the same thing. Did none of them know what company was putting this thing on?
Im assuming Vince flew back on a different plane?
Justin Credible seems like a legit normal dude. And RVD, but you can tell he is a wrestler at heart.
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I just wonder how many wrestlers will ever go on Dark Side of the Ring again after this.
I was wondering the same thing. Did none of them know what company was putting this thing on?
Posted on 9/22/21 at 2:04 pm to Master of Sinanju
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I wondered this too, and thought the producers should be careful or they may lose a lot of interviewees.
But the reality is most wrestlers will do anything for a buck or two.
When they interview people they tend to do a bunch of different subjects at once so that they don't have to keep re-interviewing people for future shows.
Doesn't mean it won't hurt them for season 4 or beyond but how long do you think this series will last considering some of the subject matter they have already gone through?
Posted on 9/22/21 at 2:07 pm to Deactived
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Watched the episode last night. I dont know anything about planes, but when the two guys were fighting, were them going through the emergency doors a real possibility?
The door is barred and pressurized, meaning it shouldn't be able to be opened in flight.
But when you have two guys the size of Brock and Hennig fricking around and banging against the side of the plane, you have to consider the possibility that they hit with such momentum and weight that they do something to depressurize the plane. And depressurizing the plane over the goddamn Atlantic would be incredibly dangerous considering there would be few places to land and they would have to be at low altitude to stabilize things.
Posted on 9/22/21 at 2:09 pm to Deactived
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Im assuming Vince flew back on a different plane?
The episode said he was there, but evidently others have come forward and said Vince was not on the flight.
This post was edited on 9/22/21 at 2:10 pm
Posted on 9/22/21 at 2:10 pm to TheeRealCarolina
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They’ve already been caught lying multiple times to fit an agenda
Can you elaborate?
Main thing I can think of that has been accused of being bullshite was some of the Benoit episode, in part because Kevin Sullivan refused to talk to them until he got the OK from Nancy's parents. Meaning that he had no way to defend himself against any accusations made against him by Nancy's sister.
He subsequently went on Cornette's podcast and covered his side of the story and pointed out things said by Nancy's sister that were incorrect.
Posted on 9/22/21 at 2:12 pm to Master of Sinanju
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The episode said he was there, but evidently others have come forward and said Vince was not on the flight.
And there are interviews where people are saying "WHICH Flight From Hell?", meaning there were more than one of these but this particular one is just the one everyone knows about.
Whenever the WWE has an overseas tour, it is always a clusterfrick in some form or fashion. This particular case was just everything that has ever happened happening again in one sitting, barring someone being served shite in their food.
Posted on 9/22/21 at 2:12 pm to Master of Sinanju
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The episode said he was there
They said he was on the plane ride there, but didnt mention the ride back
Posted on 9/22/21 at 2:14 pm to Deactived
Didn't they show a reenactment of Vince sitting with JR, and motioning JR back to rake care of the trouble? Maybe I'm misremembering.
Posted on 9/22/21 at 2:20 pm to Master of Sinanju
Sounds right.
Cornette mentioned this when discussing the episode with the DSOTR producer and that is where the “Which Flight From Hell?” comment came up.
Cornette mentioned this when discussing the episode with the DSOTR producer and that is where the “Which Flight From Hell?” comment came up.
Posted on 9/22/21 at 2:37 pm to Master of Sinanju
Correction. Just scrolled through the video. Towards the end, the referee said Vince was on the flight because he was surprised it got that out of control with Vince there.
Seriously how does he allow all that shite to happen when he is up there.
Seriously how does he allow all that shite to happen when he is up there.
Posted on 9/22/21 at 2:40 pm to Master of Sinanju
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The episode said he was there, but evidently others have come forward and said Vince was not on the flight.
I've always heard Vince was on, and even complicit in most of the Plane Ride From Hell antics. Vince loves a good rib, and had JR there to clean up his mess.
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