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Posted on 9/14/12 at 4:07 pm to bomber77
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Xabi, Xavi
Are these real people or are you just making this up.
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Also why isnt this thread on the Soccer board?
'Cause it's Wade talking about sport as a whole.
Posted on 9/14/12 at 4:43 pm to bomber77
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Are these real people or are you just making this up.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xabi_Alonso
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xavi
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Also why isnt this thread on the Soccer board?
Because we love to pick on insecure people like you.
Posted on 9/14/12 at 5:21 pm to TigerBait1127
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Wasn't MJ the most popular player in the world with any sport?
Doubt that.
Posted on 9/14/12 at 6:08 pm to Bho
Would you call Rory McIlroy a superstar? This is the kind of thing that makes for so much disagreement in threads like this, aside from general idiocy. There are a bunch of different metrics being used to define a superstar.
Being a premier athlete in a sport does not automatically qualify someone as a superstar IMO, because I think that superstardom is not a position like MVP that necessarily is filled every year. You have players like Tiger Woods whose persona permeates global culture in such a way that he becomes recognizable in countries that previously gave two shits about golf.
Now Spain has many of the greatest players in the world, but players like Iniesta aren't superstars in my book bc their fame doesn't extend beyond those who were already paying attention. You aren't very likely to know who Iniesta is as an American who doesn't watch soccer. You are much more likely to know who Messi, Ronaldo, and Beckham are because of the media attention payed to them.
Falcao may be a superstar by your definition, well and good. But if you claim him to compare to Messi, Ronaldo, Kobe, and LeBron, then please refrain from voicing future opinions until you develop some common sense.
Being a premier athlete in a sport does not automatically qualify someone as a superstar IMO, because I think that superstardom is not a position like MVP that necessarily is filled every year. You have players like Tiger Woods whose persona permeates global culture in such a way that he becomes recognizable in countries that previously gave two shits about golf.
Now Spain has many of the greatest players in the world, but players like Iniesta aren't superstars in my book bc their fame doesn't extend beyond those who were already paying attention. You aren't very likely to know who Iniesta is as an American who doesn't watch soccer. You are much more likely to know who Messi, Ronaldo, and Beckham are because of the media attention payed to them.
Falcao may be a superstar by your definition, well and good. But if you claim him to compare to Messi, Ronaldo, Kobe, and LeBron, then please refrain from voicing future opinions until you develop some common sense.
Posted on 9/14/12 at 6:36 pm to TheMuffinMan
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Would you call Rory McIlroy a superstar? This is the kind of thing that makes for so much disagreement in threads like this, aside from general idiocy. There are a bunch of different metrics being used to define a superstar.
Being a premier athlete in a sport does not automatically qualify someone as a superstar IMO, because I think that superstardom is not a position like MVP that necessarily is filled every year.
It's a good point. Having lived in Italy, Michael Jordan and Tiger Woods are those level superstars--for ex, even old ladies who don't follow sports at all know them because they're in the supermarket tabloids-- but not really Lebron or Kobe (maybe Kobe is closer because of the rape scandal). "Sports fans" know them but they don't cross over into "popular culture" in any comparable to Tiger or Jordan.
Of current players, Messi, Cristiano Ronaldo, Beckham are certainly on a level with Jordan. Balotelli is quickly approaching that plateau. There's many though that I would say are as well known as Lebron or Kobe outside of the US like Ronaldihno, Zlatan Ibrahimovich, Thierry Henry etc. . .
This post was edited on 9/14/12 at 6:39 pm
Posted on 9/14/12 at 6:39 pm to wm72
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Balotelli is quickly approaching that plateau.
Posted on 9/14/12 at 6:56 pm to wm72
Absolutely agree. Those players create a media blitz that promotes them to a wider audience than other players of their caliber. That kind of promotion helps them achieve levels of popularity beyond what their skills alone dictate.
ETA: I think Kobe is probably more recognized outside the US than Ronaldinho bc of his longevity with the Lakers and the publicity of the rape scandal. He's been an American icon for so long that he is probably the most recognized American athlete overseas. LeBron is still picking up steam, and Tiger has fallen off these last few years, so that's be my guess.
ETA: I think Kobe is probably more recognized outside the US than Ronaldinho bc of his longevity with the Lakers and the publicity of the rape scandal. He's been an American icon for so long that he is probably the most recognized American athlete overseas. LeBron is still picking up steam, and Tiger has fallen off these last few years, so that's be my guess.
This post was edited on 9/14/12 at 7:06 pm
Posted on 9/14/12 at 8:08 pm to TheMuffinMan
This reminded me that my girlfriend showed me a list that an Italian girls' magazine had of the "most famous athletes in the world". This was the list (from memory from a year or so ago).
1. Tiger
2. Beckham
3. Messi
4. Michael Shumacher
5. C. Ronaldo
6. Totti
7. Kobe
8. Roger Federer
9. Bolt
10. Valentino Rossi
Of course, it's totally unscientific but it does show how huge of a superstar Tiger is and supports your argument about Kobe.
It's also funny to notice the similar assumptions to some posters here that Italians make about massive stars domestically who are not quite as well know abroad (like Totti -- whose wedding was as big of a deal in Italian press as British royalty and for which half the streets of Rome had to be closed for the day whereas probably a lot of posters here may know him only from my avatar).
1. Tiger
2. Beckham
3. Messi
4. Michael Shumacher
5. C. Ronaldo
6. Totti
7. Kobe
8. Roger Federer
9. Bolt
10. Valentino Rossi
Of course, it's totally unscientific but it does show how huge of a superstar Tiger is and supports your argument about Kobe.
It's also funny to notice the similar assumptions to some posters here that Italians make about massive stars domestically who are not quite as well know abroad (like Totti -- whose wedding was as big of a deal in Italian press as British royalty and for which half the streets of Rome had to be closed for the day whereas probably a lot of posters here may know him only from my avatar).
This post was edited on 9/14/12 at 8:14 pm
Posted on 9/14/12 at 8:51 pm to wm72
Yeah it's pretty funny that Totti is so high, I guess that's a product of him playing domestically for the past decade or so and that world cup win. He is all but irrelevant globally now haha.
Posted on 9/14/12 at 9:28 pm to Bho
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I could mention 25 guys at minimum that are unarguably superstars of the game, and this idiot wouldn't get it.
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