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re: Cutler: 7 years, $126 Million, $54 Guaranteed
Posted on 1/2/14 at 3:11 pm to shel311
Posted on 1/2/14 at 3:11 pm to shel311
i am and i am not i wanted to say arizona, where he did play well. I just keep getting confused because his brother played well in a red uniform too
quote:
Matt Flynn had the GOAT game for a Packers Qb
you can also separate the two instances by seeing that rodgers is the best qb in the game, certainly was that year and maybe the year before...aaaaand the fact that mccown has started way more games than flynn with varying degrees of success...we know what mccown is, we know what rodgers is, we know what cutler is...no one knew what flynn was.
This isn't a rob johnson situation. mccown isn't the future, he's a placeholder in this scenario...and you would be hard pressed to find a more perfect situation for a team and I think they blew it.
the only argument people have is "market value" and that is the biggest lie of them all.
I am not getting my work done
BYE!!!!!
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Posted on 1/2/14 at 3:13 pm to Rouge
I still think the Bears are a bit shy of letting him go/willing to overpay due to the plethora of shitty qb's they had pre-Cutty without really realizing that he isn't that great.
Posted on 1/2/14 at 3:15 pm to DelU249
quote:What seasons was that that McCown played well before this year?
wanted to say arizona, where he did play well. I
quote:We do, a journeyman backup QB.
we know what mccown is
No way you think what he did this season is sustainable and that's who he is.
This post was edited on 1/2/14 at 3:16 pm
Posted on 1/2/14 at 3:21 pm to Sophandros
I'm not interested in mccowns stats in the multitude of games he didn't start
cutler has had every single advantage over his career
better teams, players, etc...
even so, with his career coming into games where his team is getting slaughtered and he took no reps, he's not very far behind jay who has taken every starting rep he was physically able to, played with great skill players and played for good teams.
again. I love statistics, but if the NFL shits on them with a vengeance, or at least when comparing guys. That's why you won't find any model that can beat vegas perpetually.
it does make the conversations more interesting, especially the brees/manning ones...
mccown with the same team, in the same year, out performed him. It's that simple. If you want to compare careers, a long long debate, jay has had every single advantage over mccown in terms of everything. Mccown is no fricking scrub, I'm not saying the bears should let cutler walk hoping mccown is kurt warner, they should let him walk hoping he is jake delhomme, and they only need to get that out of him for 2 seasons.
and what is not being mentioned, despite all of this debate, is what they're paying cutler versus what they would be paying mccown, and what those savings mean for the betterment of their team.
can mccown manage a game for 2 years...if the answer is anywhere in the vicinity of "probably"...then it should be a slam dunk.
cutler has had every single advantage over his career
better teams, players, etc...
even so, with his career coming into games where his team is getting slaughtered and he took no reps, he's not very far behind jay who has taken every starting rep he was physically able to, played with great skill players and played for good teams.
again. I love statistics, but if the NFL shits on them with a vengeance, or at least when comparing guys. That's why you won't find any model that can beat vegas perpetually.
it does make the conversations more interesting, especially the brees/manning ones...
mccown with the same team, in the same year, out performed him. It's that simple. If you want to compare careers, a long long debate, jay has had every single advantage over mccown in terms of everything. Mccown is no fricking scrub, I'm not saying the bears should let cutler walk hoping mccown is kurt warner, they should let him walk hoping he is jake delhomme, and they only need to get that out of him for 2 seasons.
and what is not being mentioned, despite all of this debate, is what they're paying cutler versus what they would be paying mccown, and what those savings mean for the betterment of their team.
can mccown manage a game for 2 years...if the answer is anywhere in the vicinity of "probably"...then it should be a slam dunk.
Posted on 1/2/14 at 3:28 pm to shel311
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What seasons was that that McCown played well before this year?
the year he started for arizona, his only season as a full time starter, and before you just look at the numbers, go check out how dreadful that team was.
quote:
journeyman backup QB
so he's a notch below the guy they just paid like he was drew brees...sound financial decision.
and let me ask you, what do you think cutler is? He's an average quarterback, with a big arm and nothing else...nothing. He's not mobile. He doesn't make good decisions, he doesn't have good footwork, he doesn't feel pressure, he can't move in the pocket, he doesn't do anything well other than being able to occassionally make a throw that makes you say "wow" and about 9/10 times he tries to make that throw, he hurts his team.
7 years, $126 million...trestman, and offensive guru, can't keep a serviceable qb serviceable...on a team with
martellus bennett
matt forte
michael bush
brandon marshall
alshon jeffery
have you lost your mind?
again, tell me why this was a good decision
I'm presenting an opinion, you're just reacting, and the only thing you can debate is "how good mccown is" without considering "how good jay cutler is" so please give me your take.
tell me why paying an average quarterback like a top quarterback is a good decision for a franchise. Particularly one with a dreadful defense and no depth to speak of on their offensive line.
This post was edited on 1/2/14 at 3:30 pm
Posted on 1/2/14 at 3:29 pm to DelU249
Can you explain how mccown in Arizona is considered playing well but Cutler in Chicago is average?
You lost me there.
You lost me there.
Posted on 1/2/14 at 3:32 pm to DelU249
He's not playing 7 years and getting $126 mil, so that's the flaw in your argument, zero chance that happens.
Also, you're naming a lot of guys Cutler played it, but no offensive linemen.
Also, you're naming a lot of guys Cutler played it, but no offensive linemen.
Posted on 1/2/14 at 3:34 pm to Hugo Stiglitz
Have they seen him play? Dumb..... Why do NFL teams continue to give monster contracts to middling players?
Posted on 1/2/14 at 3:35 pm to shel311
that's not a flaw in my argument. Cutler is younger, ok...so what? so is any number of guys they can find to eventually replace him, and mccown starting keeps them competitive while they do that and rebuild their d
Posted on 1/2/14 at 3:38 pm to DelU249
QB that started at least 12 games after age of 34
Do you see Josh McCown being any of those guys with a record of above .500 ? Sure there are some that are "mediocre" like Brunell, Testaverde, Kerry Collins, and the like but they were proven starters earlier in their career.
I just don't see the infatuation that people have with Josh McCown, you know who else looked good for a year, Charlie Batch and Rodney Peete.
Do you see Josh McCown being any of those guys with a record of above .500 ? Sure there are some that are "mediocre" like Brunell, Testaverde, Kerry Collins, and the like but they were proven starters earlier in their career.
I just don't see the infatuation that people have with Josh McCown, you know who else looked good for a year, Charlie Batch and Rodney Peete.
Posted on 1/2/14 at 3:38 pm to DelU249
quote:You can't assume that.
mccown starting keeps them competitive
You're making too many assumptions that McCown will definitely play like he did last year, and not like he did before this season, and that isn't so.
This post was edited on 1/2/14 at 3:39 pm
Posted on 1/2/14 at 3:41 pm to Jelly
Damn, that last post you made just embarrassed my argument skills, you knocked that one out of the park. Well done.
Posted on 1/2/14 at 3:41 pm to shel311
quote:
Can you explain how mccown in Arizona is considered playing well but Cutler in Chicago is average?
You lost me there.
because mccown played for those two years for the most awful incarnation of the arizona cardinals in the past 20 years. Jake Plummer and David Boston and any other good player they had, they let walk
mccown played with absolute nobodies...I think in 04 he may have had a rookie Larry Fitzgerald.
Every phase of his team blew. I'm not saying this held him back from being drew brees.
The year of or the year after his throw to sink the vikings who had started 6-0 and missed the playoffs (great throw btw)he played well on a miserable shite team.
Cutler goes straight to denver, hello brandon marshall, awesome running game, hello mike shanahan, awesome offensive line. his rookie year was a broncos team that had just gone to the afc title game a year or two before with jake fricking plummer at quarterback.
how is that losing you? They were on two completely different franchises, one sucked, one didn't. Furthermore, no one is saying mccown is better than cutler, he might fit trestman's offense better since it requires more than just heaving a ball as hard as you can, all I'm saying is he is good enough to manage it for 2 years while trestman looks, finds, and grooms a replacement. no rush, room for error, while spending money on your d, resigning young players and building depth.
how is this hard to understand
again, someone give me some analysis that goes a little beyond "the bears couldn't let him walk" "market value" uuuuuuuhhhhh
Posted on 1/2/14 at 3:47 pm to shel311
quote:
You can't assume that
why not, the bears assume cutler will improve his play with more time under trestman and paid him accordingly...
the bigger risk, without question, matter of fact, is paying cutler. and the funny part is, the bears only paid him because they think they're playing it safe
that's what is so
I'm out. I'm sorry you're only response is "what if" "market value" "mccown sample size" I've given you my take, you won't give me yours because there is no way you reason it through to the end where the bears made a GREAT decision. Like Flacco, it is being universally mocked and it should. It's a franchise killer unless you're paying a top guy. Cutler isn't even close to that.
gotta get ready for the sugar bowl boomer tide
Posted on 1/2/14 at 3:47 pm to DelU249
quote:
all I'm saying is he is good enough to manage it for 2 years
quote:see Jelly's post and link for the explanation here.
how is this hard to understand
Posted on 1/2/14 at 3:51 pm to shel311
because I don't even care. That is so irrelevant especially considering you are hell bent on "sample size" and "statistics" it is absurd
aaaand even if it were not, there are 20 guys who the bears could sign for nothing that could "manage" the game...trestman made this decision because he is gutless and ownership told him, we gave a shitload for that guy, resign him.
again, final time, tell me at length why signing jay cutler to this contract is such a great decision for the bears
aaaand even if it were not, there are 20 guys who the bears could sign for nothing that could "manage" the game...trestman made this decision because he is gutless and ownership told him, we gave a shitload for that guy, resign him.
again, final time, tell me at length why signing jay cutler to this contract is such a great decision for the bears
Posted on 1/2/14 at 4:47 pm to shel311
quote:
You can't assume that.
You can't assume that Cutler is all of a sudden going to blossom under Trestman 100+ starts into his career either...it goes both ways.
Posted on 1/2/14 at 4:59 pm to Hugo Stiglitz
Posted on 1/2/14 at 5:08 pm to Hugo Stiglitz
Wow. They need to draft a pro style quarterback and start developing him. Cutler is a joke. He's basically a Romo
Posted on 1/2/14 at 5:59 pm to brgfather129
quote:Lucky for me, I didn't assume that.
You can't assume that Cutler is all of a sudden going to blossom under Trestman 100+ starts into his career either...it goes both ways.
He's not a top 5 QB, but he's good enough right now to QB a Super Bowl team. Joe Flacco is no better than Cutler, and he just did it last season.
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