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re: Crane to force Astros players to apologize at spring training

Posted on 1/22/20 at 8:49 am to
Posted by icegator337
Lafayette
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Posted on 1/22/20 at 8:49 am to
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Never, ever admit guilt. This guy is an idiot. If I was a player I would publicly say I did nothing wrong, don't know what he is talking about, and tell him to kick rocks.

This. Deny till I die
Posted by extremetigerfanatic
Member since Oct 2003
5690 posts
Posted on 1/22/20 at 8:52 am to
The problem is that guys who can regularly hit 300 with 40 hrs and 115 rbis while playing third base are all future hall of famers.

Arenado and Machado make three times Bregman salary

With the fact that we are realizing everyone cheats, I don’t think any GM would have much leverage.
Posted by Rabbs and QStick
Texas
Member since Apr 2012
2987 posts
Posted on 1/22/20 at 8:56 am to
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Why would Bregman or Altuve or Correa do this?

They are all on contracts less than their worth.


I'm an astros fan, but this is not true. Altuve is set to make $29 million this year.
Posted by TiketheMiger
Member since Oct 2011
1511 posts
Posted on 1/22/20 at 8:57 am to
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With the fact that we are realizing everyone cheats,


Except there is no evidence that this is common place throughout the league. Many players on numerous teams have came out and said they have been in multiple other club houses and have not seen anything close to this level of cheating.

The defense of "everyone is doing it" just isn't a legitimate excuse if there is no evidence.
Posted by hubertcumberdale
Member since Nov 2009
6710 posts
Posted on 1/22/20 at 9:00 am to
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The defense of "everyone is doing it" just isn't a legitimate excuse if there is no evidence.



And despite going 60-21 at home last year, the astros fans hang on to the fact that "well it wasnt proven they cheated in 2019." Yet they think every other team in the mlb was cheating with absolutely zero evidence. So hilarious the logic with those assholes.
Posted by extremetigerfanatic
Member since Oct 2003
5690 posts
Posted on 1/22/20 at 9:02 am to
1. I wasn’t using everyone cheats as an excuse. I was using it to explain why GMs aren’t going to hold it against Altuve or Bregman if they became available.

2. I didn’t realize how much Altuve was on. So I misspoke saying he’s in a cheaper contract. But I will say. Cut him lose and he’d get that from someone else. League MVPs under 30 don’t become available often.
Posted by Lou Pai
Member since Dec 2014
29237 posts
Posted on 1/22/20 at 9:04 am to
The Astros' road record was materially better than their home record in 2017. Ur dum
Posted by TiketheMiger
Member since Oct 2011
1511 posts
Posted on 1/22/20 at 9:08 am to
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1. I wasn’t using everyone cheats as an excuse. I was using it to explain why GMs aren’t going to hold it against Altuve or Bregman if they became available.


Well it kind of sounded like you were saying all players cheat so these guys shouldn't be seen any different.

I also stated if I was a GM I would use it against them.
1) Because what you get payed is based a lot on your stats. Im not going to pay for inflated stats.

2)Yea I may miss out on some talent but I would rather miss out on the talent than bring that distraction and stigma of cheating that is attached to them into my organization
Posted by extremetigerfanatic
Member since Oct 2003
5690 posts
Posted on 1/22/20 at 9:09 am to
I get it but bro you got vets and retired dudes getting tired of the hypocrisy and already calling out the Yanks and La Russa for doing the same thing.
It’s a hidden but known thing that teams were doing this back in the fifty’s and the Giants tipped off Thompson on arguably the most famous HR in MLB history.

Cheating is cheating. I don’t care if the Astros get nailed. It is what it is. I’m just tired of the finger pointing by baseball people when this is a known thing.

It’s just like Martha Stewart going to jail for insider trading. She was the example so that they could sweep it under the rug and not really look at how many celebrities do it. Same thing is happening here.

News flash. Cora and Beltran didn’t invent it.
This post was edited on 1/22/20 at 9:14 am
Posted by extremetigerfanatic
Member since Oct 2003
5690 posts
Posted on 1/22/20 at 9:12 am to
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I also stated if I was a GM I would use it against them. 1) Because what you get payed is based a lot on your stats. Im not going to pay for inflated stats.


No you wouldn’t. You might make a moral stance. But that would just mean you aren’t really serious about signing him. If he became available you’d have to pay upwards of thirty mil a year for him cuz that’s what he’s worth and 95% of the gms in the league don’t give a rip about this controversy. They just know they need to win
This post was edited on 1/22/20 at 9:13 am
Posted by xiv
Parody. #AdminsRule
Member since Feb 2004
39508 posts
Posted on 1/22/20 at 9:14 am to
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So much anger over someone who has no clue who you are...
Cry about it
Posted by High C
viewing the fall....
Member since Nov 2012
57771 posts
Posted on 1/22/20 at 9:14 am to
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Yet they think every other team in the mlb was cheating with absolutely zero evidence.


Except there is evidence that other teams cheated, and if thorough investigations of all teams were done, I'm convinced that there would be many others. MLB isn't going to do that, though.
Posted by TiketheMiger
Member since Oct 2011
1511 posts
Posted on 1/22/20 at 9:21 am to
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Except there is evidence that other teams cheated,


None to the extent of the Astros, and the other teams that do have some evidence of cheating all have common denominators. The same people involved in the 2017 cheating with Astros
Posted by bayourougebengal
Member since Mar 2008
7224 posts
Posted on 1/22/20 at 9:22 am to
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Why would Bregman or Altuve or Correa do this?

They are all on contracts less than their worth.
Just say no I won’t. Fire me.

Those same bitch arse Yankees would pay any one of them in a heartbeat.


Those are 3 really solid positions for the Yankees. Paying Correa or Bregman over Torres and Urshela is debatable at best. Altuve over DJ is absolutely laughable
Posted by extremetigerfanatic
Member since Oct 2003
5690 posts
Posted on 1/22/20 at 9:23 am to
The only reason there is no evidence is because no one has cared enough to look. that’s what the retired dudes have been trying to say for weeks. That’s why they are pissed. Because they want to know why is it a big deal NOW?
Posted by tigburls
Member since Feb 2010
579 posts
Posted on 1/22/20 at 9:24 am to
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Their worth is fraudulent



Let see what they can do when they don't know what pitch is coming


Pretty dumb of you to not realize you can know now.

Ever heard of home/away splits?

Last year Bregs hit .315 on the road with 25 HRs vs. .278 with 16 HRs at home.
Posted by xiv
Parody. #AdminsRule
Member since Feb 2004
39508 posts
Posted on 1/22/20 at 9:25 am to
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What is the point of an apology?
It’s what grownups do when they hurt people.
Posted by Rabbs and QStick
Texas
Member since Apr 2012
2987 posts
Posted on 1/22/20 at 9:34 am to
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Paying Correa or Bregman over Torres and Urshela is debatable at best. Altuve over DJ is absolutely laughable


You need to be drug tested if you honestly think Urshela, Torres and DJ are in the same ballpark of talent as Altuve, Bregman and Correa.
Posted by Damone
FoCo
Member since Aug 2016
32966 posts
Posted on 1/22/20 at 9:35 am to
Apologizing should surely make up for blatant cheating and a stained trophy.
Posted by Clockwatcher68
Youngsville
Member since May 2006
7280 posts
Posted on 1/22/20 at 9:40 am to
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Pretty dumb of you to not realize you can know now.

Ever heard of home/away splits?

Last year Bregs hit .315 on the road with 25 HRs vs. .278 with 16 HRs at home.


I think it’s clear the Astros were horrible at cheating. They actually gave opponents an advantage. Numbers don’t lie, unlike JD Martinez?
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