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re: Committee wants to kill ACC.

Posted on 12/4/23 at 1:21 pm to
Posted by chalmetteowl
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Posted on 12/4/23 at 1:21 pm to
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You dont get the benefit of the strength of schedule argument when you lose both of those games by 3 scores.


But you do when every single conference team is a little better than every other conference team

A whole schedule of #90ish teams compared to #110ish teams is significantly more difficult at that level
Posted by McMahonnequin
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Posted on 12/4/23 at 3:07 pm to
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Are you saying that New Mexico State is not comparable


Yes. New Mexico St. lost to UMass and Hawaii. I dont give a shite that they beat an absolutely patheitc Auburn team. Tulane won the Cotton Bowl last year and returned their QB. They aren't really even close
Posted by McMahonnequin
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Posted on 12/4/23 at 3:13 pm to
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A whole schedule of #90ish teams compared to #110ish teams is significantly more difficult at that level


I get your point, but is the AAC that much more competitive than CUSA? Is the difference in level of play between Charlotte and Middle Tennesse or Rice and FIU wide enough to justify putting in a team with 2 losses over another with 0? I'd day no
Posted by 1999
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Posted on 12/4/23 at 3:20 pm to
they won all their games with backups, including third string in the conference championship game. not many teams could do that.
This post was edited on 12/4/23 at 3:21 pm
Posted by Wolfhound45
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Posted on 12/4/23 at 3:39 pm to
Your opinion. They finished the regular season with an eight game win streak, only broken by a loss to Liberty in the conference championship. Jerry Kill had them firing on all cylinders.
Posted by Wolfhound45
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Posted on 12/4/23 at 3:41 pm to
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A whole schedule of #90ish teams compared to #110ish teams is significantly more difficult at that level
Huge difference between AAC and CUSA
Posted by McMahonnequin
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Posted on 12/4/23 at 3:44 pm to
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Your opinion


My friend, I agree with you that Liberty rightfully got in over SMU. It's just not a slam dunk/foregone conclusion that you make it out to be.
Posted by Wolfhound45
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Posted on 12/4/23 at 4:13 pm to
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It's just not a slam dunk/foregone conclusion that you make it out to be.
Never said it was. Never. And I anticipate our undefeated season is going to end (decisively) in the Fiesta Bowl. But no one cared about the CFP ranking of Liberty until Tulane lost to SMU. Then it suddenly became an issue. This is a complete team that earned everything it got. Nothing was given to them.
This post was edited on 12/4/23 at 4:14 pm
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
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Posted on 12/4/23 at 4:15 pm to
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Never said it was. Never. And I anticipate our undefeated season is going to end (decisively) in the Fiesta Bowl. But no one cared about the CFP ranking of Liberty until Tulane lost to SMU. Then it suddenly became an issue. This is a complete team that earned everything it got. Nothing was given to them.


I don't know what the argument is in here, but Liberty is ranked appropriately. My only problem with where they are is the inconsistencies that show up elsewhere.
Posted by Wolfhound45
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Posted on 12/4/23 at 4:33 pm to
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My only problem with where they are is the inconsistencies that show up elsewhere.
Completely agree. Last time they have this format and they botched it. Horribly.
Posted by TizzyT4theUofA
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Posted on 12/4/23 at 5:41 pm to
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Doesn’t SMU have a few losses and Liberty is at least undefeated?

They literally had the worst SOS. Why do you all act like there isn’t a massive talent gap in FBS.
Posted by Wolfhound45
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Posted on 12/4/23 at 6:52 pm to
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They literally had the worst SOS.
They played their schedule. And the worst team on it was UMass. The rest were decent to middling G5 opponents.

Tell me you have not watched a Liberty game without telling me you haven’t watched a Liberty game.
Posted by McMahonnequin
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Posted on 12/4/23 at 7:01 pm to
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The rest were decent to middling G5 opponents.


Stop it man. Liberty played 5 different teams with 3 wins and another with 4 wins
Posted by Wolfhound45
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Posted on 12/4/23 at 8:03 pm to
They played the CUSA schedule. What are they supposed to do? Is it their fault that five of nine conference teams had losing seasons? Nobody pretends that CUSA is a powerhouse G5 conference. It is what it is. Some very good teams have moved on (primarily to the AAC). The competition was diluted.

UMass (3-9) was one they have had on their schedule for quite some time because of their history as fellow independents. They also played two MAC teams (7-5 & 3-9) and one Sun Belt team (6-6).

They convincingly defeated the third and fourth ranked teams in the conference, WKU (7-5) and Jacksonville State (8-4), in their home stadiums. And they led CFB in rushing yards per game (the first non military academy program to do that since Georgia Tech did it in 2019). They took care of their business.

I guess everyone forgets that in 2022 after Liberty edged out Arkansas (who was celebrating their 100th homecoming and thought they had scheduled a cupcake), it was leaked that CHF was leaving for Auburn and the season absolutely imploded. At that point they were on an eight game winning streak (8-0). They finished on a five game losing streak to include their first bowl game loss (final record 8-5). They were a demoralized and defeated program.

No one brings that up. That they literally rose from the ashes with a new head coach and put together an undefeated season in their first year of conference play. They cap it off with a conference championship and they bring home the first conference and program NY6 bowl.

Yeah, I am a little proud of this team.

Bowling Green 7-5 MAC
New Mexico State 10-4 CUSA
Buffalo 3-9 MAC
FIU 4-8 CUSA
Sam Houston 3-9 CUSA
Jacksonville State 8-4 CUSA
MTSU 4-8 CUSA
WKU 7-5 CUSA
Louisiana Tech 3-9 CUSA
Old Dominion 6-6 Sun Belt
UMass 3-9 Independent
UTEP 3-9 CUSA
This post was edited on 12/4/23 at 8:05 pm
Posted by McMahonnequin
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Posted on 12/4/23 at 8:12 pm to
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The rest were decent to middling G5 opponents


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Nobody pretends that CUSA is a powerhouse G5 conference.

Posted by Wolfhound45
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Posted on 12/4/23 at 8:15 pm to
I honestly did not look at the AAC. But damn, you want to talk about a weak conference? I had no idea.

This post was edited on 12/4/23 at 8:41 pm
Posted by Wolfhound45
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Posted on 12/4/23 at 8:24 pm to
This post was edited on 12/4/23 at 8:42 pm
Posted by Open Your Eyes
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Posted on 12/4/23 at 9:07 pm to
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But no one cared about the CFP ranking of Liberty until Tulane lost to SMU.

No one cared about the ranking of alabama until they were placed ahead of florida state. What point do you think you are making?

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Then it suddenly became an issue.

I wonder, did something else happen that made it become an issue?

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This is a complete team that earned everything it got. Nothing was given to them.

a spot in a ny6 bowl after playing the literal worst schedule in the country was given to them.

Literally.
Posted by Open Your Eyes
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Posted on 12/4/23 at 9:11 pm to
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They played their schedule.

Their schedule was literally the most pathetic schedule in the country.

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And the worst team on it was UMass. The rest were decent to middling G5 opponents.



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Tell me you have not watched a Liberty game without telling me you haven’t watched a Liberty game.

Tell me why you think anyone needs to watch a liberty game to understand they played the most pathetic schedule in the country.
Posted by Open Your Eyes
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Posted on 12/4/23 at 9:20 pm to
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They played the CUSA schedule. What are they supposed to do? Is it their fault that five of nine conference teams had losing seasons? Nobody pretends that CUSA is a powerhouse G5 conference. It is what it is. Some very good teams have moved on (primarily to the AAC). The competition was diluted. UMass (3-9) was one they have had on their schedule for quite some time because of their history as fellow independents. They also played two MAC teams (7-5 & 3-9) and one Sun Belt team (6-6). They convincingly defeated the third and fourth ranked teams in the conference, WKU (7-5) and Jacksonville State (8-4), in their home stadiums.

This from the guy that claims to be completely unbothered by people accurately pointing out how pathetic his team’s schedule was.

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And they led CFB in rushing yards per game (the first non military academy program to do that since Georgia Tech did it in 2019). They took care of their business.

Since leading the country in rushing is clearly very important, why don’t you tell us about all the ny6 games teams that have done that have been invited to.

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guess everyone forgets that in 2022 after Liberty edged out Arkansas (who was celebrating their 100th homecoming and thought they had scheduled a cupcake), it was leaked that CHF was leaving for Auburn and the season absolutely imploded. At that point they were on an eight game winning streak (8-0). They finished on a five game losing streak to include their first bowl game loss (final record 8-5). They were a demoralized and defeated program. No one brings that up. That they literally rose from the ashes with a new head coach and put together an undefeated season in their first year of conference play.

Look at this small time bullshite

In what way is any of that relevant to what happened this year? I’m sure the hallmark channel would love to make a movie about this story though.

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They cap it off with a conference championship and they bring home the first conference and program NY6 bowl. Yeah, I am a little proud of this team.

That’s nice.

They still played the most pathetic schedule in the country.

And your beloved committee still applied the complete opposite logic in this situation than they did in the one higher up the rankings that people actually care about.

And no, I’m not talking about the fiesta bowl committee
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