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re: Colt McCoy's legacy and injuries
Posted on 1/8/10 at 1:37 pm to Lester Earl
Posted on 1/8/10 at 1:37 pm to Lester Earl
its pretty clear what im asking
if mccoy plays the whole night does bama still win after you watched the whole game
if mccoy plays the whole night does bama still win after you watched the whole game
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Posted on 1/8/10 at 1:38 pm to TxTiger82
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If anything it promotes that notion.
Oh ok. I guess you and I define it differently. So for you one bust=exposure/sucking.
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And you are wrong about McCoy and that GG throw.
That's a great counterargument.
No, you are wrong! See what I did there?
Posted on 1/8/10 at 1:38 pm to picollo
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That statement alone says everything.
what does it tell you?
valiant effort by the FR QB doesnt mean he exposed the Defense. He made 2 nice throws and that was it. He also threw 4 INTS.
You can't have both.
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Considering this is his team, and an offense he has been in for 5 years? Do you think quite possibly he could have been more successful than the freshman?
so now the argument is that McCoy WOULD have exposed the Bama defense had he played????
who fricking knows?
Im not following you. Try following the coversation
Posted on 1/8/10 at 1:38 pm to picollo
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That statement alone says everything. And yet that freshman piled up 175 yards on Bama's D. So what do you think McCoy would have done? Considering this is his team, and an offense he has been in for 5 years? Do you think quite possibly he could have been more successful than the freshman?
thank you for articulating what ive been trying to get across the whole time in this thread
Posted on 1/8/10 at 1:39 pm to Ron Mexico
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ARE YOU SERIOUS?
You aren't making any sense.
It's not a bust it's that "he can't cover." If you watch the tape the dude jumps all over the out route, I'm assuming he thought he had help over the top (which is a pretty common Saban scheme). The help wasn't there... it was a bust.
Posted on 1/8/10 at 1:40 pm to Ron Mexico
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if mccoy plays the whole night does bama still win after you watched the whole game
Now you are changing the argument...
You initially said Gilbert exposed their defense.
Now it's, "If McCoy plays does he expose their defense..."
Posted on 1/8/10 at 1:40 pm to OBUDan
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i'm assuming you'll say because he doesn't have a great arm and can't make the throws.
you really are latching on to this one play man. its getting tired. if mccoy is in the game, texas is up 10-0, and that play probably never comes into the equation
mccoy is short, and has been in a college system his whole career are the reasons why i dont see him as being a good pro qb. has nothing to do with his accuracy
Posted on 1/8/10 at 1:40 pm to OBUDan
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So for you one bust=exposure/sucking.
Recognizing the route and covering it is part of .... you know..... pass coverage.
So yeah...blowing coverage = sucking.
I had been saying Texas' receivers would outplay Bama's secondary for weeks now. Unfortunately, they didn't really get to showcase what they can do.
Also, Texas' receivers didn't play up to their caliber. Shipley made a couple plays but he also dropped a couple good passes. Malcolm Williams sucks. He dropped like 4 passes including a sure TD.
In the end, only Shipley and Goodwin created problems for Bama.
Posted on 1/8/10 at 1:41 pm to Ron Mexico
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if mccoy plays the whole night does bama still win after you watched the whole game
I think they do.
Hard to say for sure, because i think Bama got conservative at times both offensively and defensively with the big lead, thinking the FR QB wasnt going to be able to do anything.
the game just wouldnt have played out the same, but I think Bama would have still won.
people forget Ingram left for a period too. He was moving the sticks all night. Had he not been sick, this game would have been different as it was.
Posted on 1/8/10 at 1:41 pm to OBUDan
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Oh ok. I guess you and I define it differently. So for you one bust=exposure/sucking.
playing the right coverage is part of playing the game. you think gilberts not gonna throw that pass because he realized bama messed it up?
Posted on 1/8/10 at 1:41 pm to OBUDan
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I'm assuming he thought he had help over the top (which is a pretty common Saban scheme). The help wasn't there... it was a bust.
Green is the safety. He IS the help over top.
Posted on 1/8/10 at 1:42 pm to Ron Mexico
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if mccoy plays the whole night does bama still win after you watched the whole game
pretty much an impossible question to ask. it changes the game completely. for both teams.
Posted on 1/8/10 at 1:42 pm to OBUDan
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It's not a bust it's that "he can't cover." If you watch the tape the dude jumps all over the out route, I'm assuming he thought he had help over the top (which is a pretty common Saban scheme). The help wasn't there... it was a bust.
a common saban scheme is putting cbs on islands actually
and making pisspoor decisions on who to guard is a sign of a weak secondary, fyi
Posted on 1/8/10 at 1:43 pm to Ron Mexico
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you really are latching on to this one play man. its getting tired. if mccoy is in the game, texas is up 10-0, and that play probably never comes into the equation
mccoy is short, and has been in a college system his whole career are the reasons why i dont see him as being a good pro qb. has nothing to do with his accuracy
I'm latching on to the play for 2 reasons:
1) I don't think McCoy has the arm strength to make it.
2) I don't think Texas calls a play like that with him in.
Which is why I think this whole argument is dumb.
Gilbert was able to connect on a couple of deep plays because he presented a different threat to the defense.
McCoy has always been an underneath guy. His completion percentage is so high because he rarely throws the ball longer than 10 yards. Dink and dunk and dink and dunk all day long. If he's in the game, those deep throws aren't called.
Posted on 1/8/10 at 1:43 pm to OBUDan
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You initially said Gilbert exposed their defense.
Now it's, "If McCoy plays does he expose their defense..."
1. thats not what i said. i said does bama win, not does mccoy expose their defense. im pretty sure that after watching the game mccoy would have exposed their defense
2. the two comments are directly related. if you cant see that then i cant really talk to you
Posted on 1/8/10 at 1:44 pm to bbap
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pretty much an impossible question to ask. it changes the game completely. for both teams.
exactly.
Posted on 1/8/10 at 1:45 pm to Flowbie
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playing the right coverage is part of playing the game. you think gilberts not gonna throw that pass because he realized bama messed it up?
Right, I'm not disagreeing.
But one busted coverage does =/= exposure.
Posted on 1/8/10 at 1:45 pm to Lester Earl
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people forget Ingram left for a period too. He was moving the sticks all night. Had he not been sick, this game would have been different as it was.
i hope you arent saying that the falloff from ingram to richardson is the same as the falloff from colt mccoy to garrett gilbert
please tell me thats not what you are saying?
Posted on 1/8/10 at 1:45 pm to OBUDan
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pretty much an impossible question to ask. it changes the game completely. for both teams.
exactly.
This we can all agree on. McCoy plays....different game completely.
Texas probably takes a bigger lead. Bama never goes vanilla on offense.
Bama definitely covers the deep threat more consistently.
Posted on 1/8/10 at 1:46 pm to bbap
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pretty much an impossible question to ask. it changes the game completely. for both teams.
yeah, it puts texas up 10-0 instead of 6-0 and gives them all the confidence in the world. youre right
This post was edited on 1/8/10 at 1:47 pm
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