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re: Colt McCoy's legacy and injuries
Posted on 1/8/10 at 1:46 pm to OBUDan
Posted on 1/8/10 at 1:46 pm to OBUDan
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I'm latching on to the play for 2 reasons:
1) I don't think McCoy has the arm strength to make it.
2) I don't think Texas calls a play like that with him in.
Which is why I think this whole argument is dumb.
Gilbert was able to connect on a couple of deep plays because he presented a different threat to the defense.
McCoy has always been an underneath guy. His completion percentage is so high because he rarely throws the ball longer than 10 yards. Dink and dunk and dink and dunk all day long. If he's in the game, those deep throws aren't called.
you need to rewatch the game.
The throw down the seam was a 30 yard throw. The fade was a 20 yard throw. Neither one of those was that deep. They caught the ball and ran after.
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Posted on 1/8/10 at 1:46 pm to TxTiger82
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Green is the safety. He IS the help over top.
Green plays safety, yes. But on that play he was playing nickel, covering the inside guy, who was Shipley. They got a mismatch there for sure.
But there was still a safety back deep (Anders I believed) and he was in the completely wrong deep zone.
Posted on 1/8/10 at 1:48 pm to OBUDan
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McCoy has always been an underneath guy. His completion percentage is so high because he rarely throws the ball longer than 10 yards. Dink and dunk and dink and dunk all day long. If he's in the game, those deep throws aren't called.
yeah, mccoy doesnt make deep throws ever....
Posted on 1/8/10 at 1:48 pm to picollo
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you need to rewatch the game.
The throw down the seam was a 30 yard throw
It was down the seam with pressure in his face and on a rope.
Also, Shipley had just broken open and had a step. He hit him in stride.
To make that throw you have to have strong and accurate arm. If that ball is lofted it's picked by the safety over the top, if it's underthrown it's picked by the corner in coverage...
Posted on 1/8/10 at 1:48 pm to OBUDan
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But there was still a safety back deep (Anders I believed) and he was in the completely wrong deep zone.
Anders is a linebacker.....
Woodall is the safety, and he was slow getting over to help. These were the same problems I saw out of Bama against Utah last year. They looked exactly the same!
Posted on 1/8/10 at 1:48 pm to OBUDan
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Green plays safety, yes. But on that play he was playing nickel, covering the inside guy, who was Shipley. They got a mismatch there for sure.
But there was still a safety back deep (Anders I believed) and he was in the completely wrong deep zone.
i mean on the replay you see the db look at the deep guy and put his arms up like where da frick were you brah. usually a pretty good sign someone blew a coverage.
Posted on 1/8/10 at 1:49 pm to Ron Mexico
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yeah, mccoy doesnt make deep throws ever....
His longest completion against OU was 14 yards.
That's the only one I know offhand.
How many deep balls did he complete on anyone worth a damn?
And they usually don't revert to any sort of deep passing until it's a lull you to sleep type of moment.
Colt does a lot of things well, but he's not a deep ball passer and he doesn't have a great arm.
Posted on 1/8/10 at 1:49 pm to OBUDan
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But there was still a safety back deep (Anders I believed) and he was in the completely wrong deep zone.
how do you know he was in the wrong zone?
why cant yall just say that maybe, just maybe, shipley burned a safety
ETA: and anders is a lb, the same guy who had the sack at the end
This post was edited on 1/8/10 at 1:50 pm
Posted on 1/8/10 at 1:51 pm to picollo
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Anders is a linebacker.....
Woodall is the safety, and he was slow getting over to help. These were the same problems I saw out of Bama against Utah last year. They looked exactly the same!
Sorry it was Woodall. I thought 27 was Anders.
Posted on 1/8/10 at 1:51 pm to Ron Mexico
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how do you know he was in the wrong zone?
why cant yall just say that maybe, just maybe, shipley burned a safety
What bnap just said. Green turns and looks at and raises his arms like WTF are you doing?
ETA: Also if a corner is jumping an out route (like he was), what sense would it make for the safety to be hovering in the middle of the field (like he was).
You jump that route and release him deep to a safety... it's a really common coverage technique.
This post was edited on 1/8/10 at 1:53 pm
Posted on 1/8/10 at 1:55 pm to Ron Mexico
i will say though ron to say mccoy couldnt make that throw is pretty silly.
Posted on 1/8/10 at 1:56 pm to bbap
That's just like my opinion, man.
Posted on 1/8/10 at 1:56 pm to OBUDan
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It was down the seam with pressure in his face and on a rope.
Also, Shipley had just broken open and had a step. He hit him in stride.
To make that throw you have to have strong and accurate arm. If that ball is lofted it's picked by the safety over the top, if it's underthrown it's picked by the corner in coverage...
I just went and looked at you tube to see if I could find that throw in their highlights. It took me 5 mins to find a 30 yard throw over the middle. Go to the 3:29 mark. It's a different route, but the same throw with the good velocity.
LINK
Posted on 1/8/10 at 2:01 pm to OBUDan
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That's just like my opinion, man.
albeit a bad one
agreed bart
Posted on 1/8/10 at 2:01 pm to picollo
Yeah that was a pretty good throw.
Still feel like the window was tighter for GG's throw.
Doesn't really matter though.
Still feel like the window was tighter for GG's throw.
Doesn't really matter though.
Posted on 1/8/10 at 2:15 pm to OBUDan
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What bnap just said. Green turns and looks at and raises his arms like WTF are you doing?
ETA: Also if a corner is jumping an out route (like he was), what sense would it make for the safety to be hovering in the middle of the field (like he was).
I'm not saying Green didn't think he had help behind him, because he clearly did.
However, Green is the starting free safety, not a corner.
Posted on 1/8/10 at 2:17 pm to TxTiger82
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I'm not saying Green didn't think he had help behind him, because he clearly did.
However, Green is the starting free safety, not a corner.
i dont think anyone really cares bud. in the play in question he was playing as a corner.
Posted on 1/8/10 at 2:19 pm to bbap
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in the play in question he was playing as a corner.
He was playing that hybrid nickel role, bud, not corner.
Posted on 1/8/10 at 2:22 pm to TxTiger82
wow you're awesome. how about next time someone misspells something we bring the thread to a crashing halt and discuss it for two pages.
Posted on 1/8/10 at 2:23 pm to bbap
how did this thread get so derailed
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