re: Colorado and Deion: You know it's bad when you've lost Joel Klatt

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still have a mild chuckle when I see grown men that have paid jobs in the media refer to him in that way. He's not a transformer. His name is Deion Sanders. Coach Sanders. Step 1 to having the first shred of credibility in the profession would probably be to stop calling yourself a nickname like you're a little kid playing make believe.

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Amen brother. This!!

Dude, YOU WERE 1-11 LAST YEAR YOU UNGRATEFUL frickS.

Give the man 2 more years to use nil at his disposal. Then get back to me.

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Dude, YOU WERE 1-11 LAST YEAR YOU UNGRATEFUL frickS.

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Lol. This argument. What are the odds they'd go 1-11 again with any coach. Not likely.

Mushcamp finished 2-8 at South Carolina and Beamer came in and brought them to 7-6 with a bowl win. The media said "that's cool good job" and that was it.

There is nothing impressive about going from 1 win to 4 wins lol. It would almost be harder to get worse or even stay the same in a P5 program.

Yeah, I posted that before the season. But you're taking everything from this point, and judging it as if the season and recruiting class are finalized. It's nonsense. And you skipped those questions I told you not to. It's a disordered mess.

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Well, if you said it, then redundantly resaid it, then it must be completely factual. But let's check, just in case you have no clue what the frick you're talking about...

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This part has nothing to do with Colorado, but is a problem for everyone. Building an OL through the portal is extremely difficult. Yes, there are players. And it's possible to get a good one. MAYBE two. But it's almost impossible to rebuild your OL through the portal. Many of the ones you listed are good, but many are a reach and taken out of desperation. You listed 22 players for 69 Power 5 schools.

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MAYBE two.

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Michigan and USC got 3.

If Colorado gets improvements from the guys they have, then gets quality guys from the portal, they can put together a very good OL.

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many are a reach

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No, they're not. And I could've listed many more.

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MAYBE two

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Oklahoma also brought in 3 O-linemen in the last transfer class.
I only listed Rouse because he has been the most prominent guy. Caleb Shaffer and Troy Everett have also started this season.

Do you also work with Luginbill?

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Why do you feel the need to defend Colorado and Deion?

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I know this wasn’t aimed at me, but as I mentioned previously, Deion’s been a part of the sports world since just a little after I started paying attention to it, so I’m used to him, jaded. Nothing he does really moves the needle for me one way or another at this point. I am not emotionally invested in his success or failure at Colorado. So I don’t feel the need to defend him.

But what I do, on occasion, feel the need to defend, is this board from ignorance, hypocrisy, intellectual dishonestly, and overall dumb-assery. By themselves, I can brush them off, but when someone manages to build a multi-page thread relying almost solely on a combination of them, it offends me. Knowingly omitting context to make a point is lazy and weak, and it offends me.

Creating false dichotomies where every observer is either a “hater” or a “lover/defender,” every participant the “best” or the “worst,” they’re either great or they suck—that offends me. And you having the LSU logo next to your name on every terrible fricking, emotionally-driven, non nuanced, nonobjective logic or honest reasoning post of yours in this bandwidth-wasting, shite thread that you’ve created, well, that offends me too.

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I don't like false media narratives

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Yet you’ve used media—this very website—to create a false narrative right here in this thread. You just don’t like them creating narratives you don’t agree with. Hypocrisy and lack of self-awareness.

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and that's all Deion and Colorado are - flash, no substance.

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Speaking of flash, but no substance, that’s twice you’ve used that term in here at least. But what does it actually mean? Specifically, explain to us what you mean by that relative to the Colorado football team. Because I’m not sure you can. You think it sounds good, but it’s really just meaningless bullshite. All flash, no substance. More hypocrisy and lack of self-awareness.

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He can't coach,

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By every honest, objective measure, simply false. Just a lie you’re trying to convince yourself of because you so want it to be true. Did he have a bad game against Stanford? Sure. I saw coaches considered good do it all weekend in college and the NFL. Saban lost to ULM. shite happens. If perfection is your standard, then nobody “can coach.” Intellectual dishonesty.

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apparently can't recruit either.

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He’s been there less than 10 months, trying to flip southern kids, most of whom have never seen snow and probably couldn’t find Colorado on a map, who had likely never considered going to school anywhere outside the south East to go to school in Boulder, Colorado to play on a team that was 1-11 last season. Or a California kid whose final list for the past 18 months had been USC, Oregon, Washington, and UCLA.

I don’t know if it’s your ignorance, intellectual dishonesty, or just overall dumbasserry, but high school recruiting is not done in 10 months. It takes several years of developing relationships with kids, parents, families, high school coaches and administrators, etc…to get recruiting really rolling. Most of the top schools are pretty much done with ‘24 by now and are focusing on the class of ‘25 and some of ‘26. Because they have the recruiting infrastructure already in place, the relationships already built. It still takes that long even in the era of NIL when you’re at a school that hasn’t been relevant during any of these kids lives. Their parents are barely old enough to remember Kordell Stewart or Rashaan Salaam. He may turn out to be a bad recruiter, but it’s way to early to condemn him as one this early unless you want it to be true so bad that you are using cognitive bias to convince yourself, which you clearly have demonstrated here that you are. It’s so sad that you’re too dumb to see it.

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How happy do you think the AD and Colorado fans are to have Deion?

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How happy were A&M fans when they got Jimbo?

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Yet you’ve used media—this very website—to create a false narrative right here in this thread

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I literally posted quotes, word for word, from Colorado's (and Deion's) biggest supporter.

This is the More Sports Board. There are threads bashing coaches and players 50 times per day. Why are you so invested in defending him? Why aren't you White Knighting in every other thread criticizing some other player or coach?

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By every honest, objective measure, simply false. Just a lie you’re trying to convince yourself of because you so want it to be true. Did he have a bad game against Stanford? Sure. I saw coaches considered good do it all weekend in college and the NFL. Saban lost to ULM. shite happens. If perfection is your standard, then nobody “can coach.” Intellectual dishonesty.

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This is quite the cope. Sure, lots of coaches make mistakes. I've never seen the complete systemic breakdown I'm seeing with Colorado right now.

And it has nothing to do with losing to Stanford. The same criticism would apply if they won.

The dude was on 60 minutes, had Gameday twice and has a book coming out about coaching wisdom, LOL.