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re: Colleges Push Pros to Change Their Draft Rules
Posted on 10/3/13 at 11:14 am to blackjackjackson
Posted on 10/3/13 at 11:14 am to blackjackjackson
As I've stated before, I agree with Delaney on this.
Team speed will go down. Team intelligence will go up.
Team speed will go down. Team intelligence will go up.
This post was edited on 10/3/13 at 11:15 am
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Posted on 10/3/13 at 11:17 am to BuckeyeFan87
Delaney doesn't actually want this.
It's a PR move, pointing out "hey it isn't our duty to pay players, we've been operating like this for 100+ years. If you want to blame someone for these poor players, who are being taken advantaged of, why don't you blame the PROFESSIONAL league that refuses to let them play."
It's a PR move, pointing out "hey it isn't our duty to pay players, we've been operating like this for 100+ years. If you want to blame someone for these poor players, who are being taken advantaged of, why don't you blame the PROFESSIONAL league that refuses to let them play."
Posted on 10/3/13 at 11:29 am to hg
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Can you imagine someone drafting a senior QB fresh out of high school with the #1 pick.
I could see the Jags doing this
Posted on 10/3/13 at 11:32 am to WITNESS23
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Use the baseball rules in every sport.
Out of high school or 3 years out.
This is definitely what they should be angling for. It doesn't block truly unique talent, it strengthens the development system pro sports are relying on free of charge, and as someone already stated, college athletics will deliver a much better built in fan base for players than a minor league team ever could. I don't know if they need to avoid doing anything officially collaborative for legal reasons, but setting up the baseball rules across the board really does make the most sense for everyone involved.
Posted on 10/3/13 at 11:34 am to tigerfan88
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This is just more Big Ten Jim Delany holier than thou bull shite. He knows as well as anyone that no one is gonna watch a bunch of 1950's era white kids who run 5.10 forty's no matter how much they attend class. Not when we're used to seeing such high class CFB. And his schools want that ESPN and FOX money as much as anyone else. It's just a PR move to make it seem like the BIg Ten is this mecca of pure college athletics
Posted on 10/3/13 at 11:44 am to Dr RC
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quote: This is just more Big Ten Jim Delany holier than thou bull shite. He knows as well as anyone that no one is gonna watch a bunch of 1950's era white kids who run 5.10 forty's no matter how much they attend class. Not when we're used to seeing such high class CFB. And his schools want that ESPN and FOX money as much as anyone else. It's just a PR move to make it seem like the BIg Ten is this mecca of pure college athletics
Wisconsin has a shitload of fans.
And, did the OP of tQuoted text just say that only white people attend college?
Posted on 10/3/13 at 11:50 am to BuckeyeFan87
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And, did the OP of tQuoted text just say that only white people attend college?
It maybe different in Ohio, but in the south there wouldn't be many black folks attending college.
Just being real about it.
Posted on 10/3/13 at 11:55 am to Grey Matter
This is a smart move by Delaney. He is basically proving what we already know; that only 1% of kids who are true freshman on athletic scholarship of football teams have the info to go directly to the pros. We make such a big deal about paying Johnny and Clowney, but do we care if the backup center can have enough money for a date on Friday night?
I don't mind if they increase total money to every guy on the teams, but not just the stars. Most of these "stars" wouldn't be anything without the university and the $ the university has put into them
I don't mind if they increase total money to every guy on the teams, but not just the stars. Most of these "stars" wouldn't be anything without the university and the $ the university has put into them
This post was edited on 10/3/13 at 11:57 am
Posted on 10/3/13 at 12:39 pm to Tiger1242
I'm not sure why this is so confusing to the MSB.
Changing the draft rules to allow high school graduates to be eligible will effectively rid players of their complaints for compensation. You can't be mad at the NCAA that you don't get "paid" when you're the one who was not good enough to get drafted out of high school.
Also, just because 17 and 18 year old graduates are eligible for the draft doesn't mean the NFL will draft them. If they aren't ready, the NFL will not take them. Those players will then go to college, but instead of bitching to the college about their compensation, they can look inward and realize they are to blame.
Put it this way, to my knowledge, females are eligible for the NFL draft. That doesn't mean NFL teams are forced to draft them. The same will be true of high school graduates.
Changing the draft rules to allow high school graduates to be eligible will effectively rid players of their complaints for compensation. You can't be mad at the NCAA that you don't get "paid" when you're the one who was not good enough to get drafted out of high school.
Also, just because 17 and 18 year old graduates are eligible for the draft doesn't mean the NFL will draft them. If they aren't ready, the NFL will not take them. Those players will then go to college, but instead of bitching to the college about their compensation, they can look inward and realize they are to blame.
Put it this way, to my knowledge, females are eligible for the NFL draft. That doesn't mean NFL teams are forced to draft them. The same will be true of high school graduates.
Posted on 10/3/13 at 12:48 pm to Dire Wolf
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It would kill college football because of the talent drop off.
Wrong.
Every AAA baseball team would beat the doors off of LSU, yet LSU averaged more people per game than all but one team.
Posted on 10/3/13 at 1:14 pm to slackster
The only way I could see this working is if there was also a rule similar to the MLB one that has already been mentioned. If you go to college, lets say you have to be two years removed from HS to be eligible for the NFL Minor League, or 3 for the NFL as it is currently. But you also have to spend 2 years in the minors regardless of when you enter, so if you enter out of HS your 3rd year you would be eligible for the NFL, but if you enter after your soph season you still have to stay 2 years.
So someone like Clowney, JFF, etc, prior to this season, could have declared for the Minor League draft, played there 2 years, then gone to the NFL, instead of staying in school for another year. So you're either 18 or 20 entering this fantasy minor league. A lot of the knocks on some players leaving school early is that they aren't ready for the pros yet. This would give them 2 years in school, and a 2 year adjustment period in the minors with actually getting game experience instead of being buried in a depth chart and cut after training camp in the pros.
So someone like Clowney, JFF, etc, prior to this season, could have declared for the Minor League draft, played there 2 years, then gone to the NFL, instead of staying in school for another year. So you're either 18 or 20 entering this fantasy minor league. A lot of the knocks on some players leaving school early is that they aren't ready for the pros yet. This would give them 2 years in school, and a 2 year adjustment period in the minors with actually getting game experience instead of being buried in a depth chart and cut after training camp in the pros.
Posted on 10/3/13 at 1:53 pm to Grey Matter
Could the Bayou Classic have national championship implications!!!!?!??!? 
Posted on 10/3/13 at 3:42 pm to blackjackjackson
Delany has to frick everything up, and the herd will listen to him.
He just wants the SEC athletes to skip school so he has an advantage
He just wants the SEC athletes to skip school so he has an advantage
Posted on 10/4/13 at 10:56 am to Hurricane Mike
Isn't the herd a west coast fan though? I'm pretty sure he loves PAC football. This would kill PAC football way faster then SEC football. Hell I'm actually surprised Nike hasn't led the way on this.
Nike Ducks
UnderArmour TideTigersDogsGators (lol or whatever)
EAsports the 99ers
I'm sure there is money out there for this but would it cost to much? What fields would they use? College stadiums would be out. Arena stadiums? Hell no. High Schools? No don't think so, not every state builds bigger high school stadiums like Texas. The one guy has a point about minorities in college though, all of these big time colleges will lose a small percentage of their African american enrollment. It might even have a trickle down effect and start lowering enrollments in predominantly black schools. These big colleges will still want to keep their football program so where are they going to get their players when they start getting poached by minor league systems? I'm guessing SWAC and Div. II and III schools. Jeez can you imagine Grambling being worse then they already are? Anywayyou look at it losing tthese players to minor league teams is bad. Lost of money being the biggest thing. These football programs keep a lot of other sports above water and keep money in those towns and other school departments
Nike Ducks
UnderArmour TideTigersDogsGators (lol or whatever)
EAsports the 99ers
I'm sure there is money out there for this but would it cost to much? What fields would they use? College stadiums would be out. Arena stadiums? Hell no. High Schools? No don't think so, not every state builds bigger high school stadiums like Texas. The one guy has a point about minorities in college though, all of these big time colleges will lose a small percentage of their African american enrollment. It might even have a trickle down effect and start lowering enrollments in predominantly black schools. These big colleges will still want to keep their football program so where are they going to get their players when they start getting poached by minor league systems? I'm guessing SWAC and Div. II and III schools. Jeez can you imagine Grambling being worse then they already are? Anywayyou look at it losing tthese players to minor league teams is bad. Lost of money being the biggest thing. These football programs keep a lot of other sports above water and keep money in those towns and other school departments
Posted on 10/4/13 at 11:09 am to blackjackjackson
I can see the NBA changing the rules and expanding the NBADL to serve as a full-fledged minor league.
The NFL? Not so much. There's no minor league in place and I'm not sure that teams will be willing to make an investment in one when it will take between 1 and 3 seasons before one of these players pays off, if ever.
The NFL? Not so much. There's no minor league in place and I'm not sure that teams will be willing to make an investment in one when it will take between 1 and 3 seasons before one of these players pays off, if ever.
Posted on 10/4/13 at 11:20 am to blackjackjackson
How about, instead, the NCAA and NFL allow (either as a league, or per team) for college programs to be "subsidized" essentially as "farm" teams?
Posted on 10/4/13 at 11:59 am to blackjackjackson
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Last week, Big Ten Conference commissioner Jim Delany echoed Emmert: "Why is it our job to be minor leagues for professional sports?" he said.
This is bizarro world stuff right here.
Do they really think that they are not benefitting from the NFL draft rules? The NCAA can't get out of its own way.
Posted on 10/4/13 at 1:49 pm to slackster
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Changing the draft rules to allow high school graduates to be eligible will effectively rid players of their complaints for compensation.
This. Delany made these comments in response to all the people stating that athletes should be paid.
Posted on 10/4/13 at 1:57 pm to The Boat
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Players of out high school would die in the NFL.
If any player died from a hit in an NFL game, we could kiss sunday football goodbye for years.
Posted on 10/4/13 at 2:08 pm to blackjackjackson
This is dumb. I know I would be scared as shite if I was some 18 yr old kid on the offensive line going against grown arse men like Suh, Wilfork, etc.
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