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College Football Week 1/Futures Bet Thread

Posted on 8/13/16 at 7:02 pm
Posted by LSUAlum2001
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Posted on 8/13/16 at 7:02 pm
Who you got in Week 1? Anyone jump on some O/U season win totals that they are confident to share?

I'm leaning towards:

Louisville -39.5
Minnesota -11
Temple -16.5
Boise St -19.5
Missouri +11
Washington -26
Iowa -28
Nebraska -29

I haven't look at win totals yet.

ETA: Updated W1 plays

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Minnesota -13
Temple -17
Colorado St +7.5
Georgia Tech -3
Missouri +10
Washington -26
Iowa -27
UCLA +3
San Jose St +3.5
Clemson -7
Ole Miss +4


Goldennugget, give me a sitrep on those plays.

This post was edited on 8/23/16 at 6:43 pm
Posted by goldennugget
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Posted on 8/13/16 at 7:24 pm to
The past few weeks during my downtime at work I spend a couple hours capping each game Week 1 since I am going to Las Vegas. I have a 5 dimes account also but I like betting in Las Vegas more because you get your winnings right away.

I am almost done capping the Week 1 games, just have a few more left. Also already have my Excel spreadsheets and macros going too. I have my odds database that I am cross referencing with certain numbers to see if there are any historical advantages.

I won't release my best plays until I have capped every game, but I'll share what I have on your plays. All my shite is on my work computer so I will have to go off of memory.

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Louisville -39.5


My excel spreadsheets LOVE Charlotte in this one, but based on my actual non-Excel spreadsheet capping, I like Louisville, so I lean their way. The thing is, Charlotte should be better in their Baylor-style offense in Year 2, but I don't know if Louisville with all their experience is the right team for that. However, Petrino is known to take his foot off the gas in games like this early from prior history. Overall, I think there are better games on the board to bet

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Minnesota -11


Keep an eye on this one. My own capping AND my excel spreadsheets love Minnesota here. BUT they liked them a lot more at -10, which is where the line was 2 weeks ago, than -11. I am worried that by the time I get to Las Vegas on August 28 this one will be at 13. -12.5 is as high as I would feel safe with Minnesota. They just aren't a team built to blow teams out, as bad as Oregon State looks to be.

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Temple -16.5


My excel sheets and my own capping are leaning Army here. I think Army has their best team under Monken this year, and Temple is replacing a lot of defensive playmakers and this is a tough offense to prepare for with new players. This has all the makings of a low scoring game, so the 16-17 points Army will be getting are valuable.

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Boise St -19.5


This one is tough. If this game were still scheduled for a Friday Night like it originally was, instead of a Saturday 11:00am kick, I'd like ULL a bit more. My excel spreadsheets like ULL a lot in this one, but based on my capping, Boise State will want to win this one by a decent margin and make a statement early. I think ULL rebounds from last year, but the question is by how much. Boise State can name their score if they play like they are capable, ULL is powerless, only Boise State will prevent Boise State from covering.

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Missouri +11


Yes. This is one of my favorite plays. Before I capped this one I was leaning WVU. But then I dived into the numbers, rosters, and my excel spreadsheets and everything points to Mizzou. As bad as their offense will be, their defense will keep them in the game. WVU will have offensive problems of their own. Smallwood made that offense work, and he is gone. Not convinced on Skylar Howard. Has all the makings of a 7 point WVU win. WVU will be a team to put in a teaser here if you really want to play them

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Washington -26


I liked UW more at -24 where they were when I capped the game. -26 is getting into the danger zone. Still, my own capping likes Washington as well as my excel sheets. This is another Minnesota situation. Washington isn't really a team built to blow teams out, even teams as bad as Rutgers will be. The question isn't whether or not they are capable of covering, because they are, the question is whether or not they will keep the foot on the gas to do so. I don't think people realize how big of a dumpster fire Rutgers will be.

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Iowa -28


I was all about Miami when the line was 28.5 but with the hook gone, its not as appetizing. I think Miami improves quite a bit this year. They were god awful last year, because they were extremely young and inexperienced, but they do have some athletes on that roster. My excel spreadsheets still like Miami in this one, showing that Miami is still a profitable bet even all the way down to +22. My own capping says that this will be a close call, but I still think value is on the side of Miami on this side of 28.

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Nebraska -29


All over my face and then some. Fresno State is awful, and will continue to be awful. 29 is a high number, but looking at the matchup, and doing my own capping, its a great number for Nebraska. Should be closer to 33. My excel sheets like Nebraska too. Any number at 30.5 or lower is a play on Nebraska.

Posted by dcrews
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Posted on 8/13/16 at 7:34 pm to
Let me know when you book those bets, I'll book them with you.
Posted by LSUAlum2001
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Posted on 8/13/16 at 7:46 pm to
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Let me know when you book those bets, I'll book them with you


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dcrews


Posted by LSUAlum2001
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Posted on 8/13/16 at 7:48 pm to
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All my shite is on my work computer so I will have to go off of memory.


I have excel spreadsheets with calcs on every game.

I'm going back to 2014 and re-running some numbers right now so it may adjust these W1 plays.
Posted by goldennugget
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Posted on 8/13/16 at 8:06 pm to
quote:

I have excel spreadsheets with calcs on every game.


At first I had wildly complex Excel sheets and macros, but realized that I am one person, and no way will I come up with something that is better than what oddsmakers can put out. The amount of advantage I gain using a complex excel macro will not be much more advantageous than keeping it simple. Law of diminishing returns

So I just decided to keep it simple, only have a few variables in there.
Posted by LSUAlum2001
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Member since Aug 2003
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Posted on 8/13/16 at 8:11 pm to
quote:

So I just decided to keep it simple, only have a few variables in there.


Mine is simple, too. I have data on one page and weekly plays on another.

It used to be a huge bear, but I compressed everything into simpler layouts and calcs.
Posted by 632627
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Posted on 8/13/16 at 8:27 pm to
i am taking a hard look at miami -55 against fl a&m and georgia southern -55 against savannah state.

id prefer to play the first half lines if i can get 35 or under. both these games have 70-3 written all over them.
Posted by goldennugget
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Posted on 8/13/16 at 8:31 pm to
quote:

i am taking a hard look at miami -55 against fl a&m and georgia southern -55 against savannah state.

id prefer to play the first half lines if i can get 35 or under. both these games have 70-3 written all over them.


Here is something I found in my research:

Since 2011, FBS teams are 24-2 against the spread vs. HBCUs.

Georgia vs. Southern last year was one of the two losses. The other was Cincinnati vs. Alabama A&M where Cincy missed the cover by half a point.

The thing is, 55 is such a damn high number, and Richt was the coach of one of those 2 losses. I'd feel safer with Georgia Southern, personally. UTSA -27.5 vs. Alabama State is one I'll be looking at, as well as UNLV -35.5 vs. Jackson State.

EDIT: First half lines, if they are available, will be auto plays for the HBCU games. I see Miami up 42-0 at half.
This post was edited on 8/13/16 at 8:33 pm
Posted by oleyeller
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Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 8/13/16 at 9:44 pm to
so far..
tennessee -22.5 (just to have action opening night)
south carolina +3
tx am -2

will be looking at the following
southern miss +7
wisconsin +10
usc +10.5
ole miss ??? line will change with fsu qb suspended
Posted by mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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Posted on 8/13/16 at 9:46 pm to
Alabama -10 vs. USC.
Posted by CtotheVrzrbck
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Posted on 8/13/16 at 9:58 pm to
excel spreadsheets and quant analysis doesn't mean much to me.

Just use your football knowledge and keep up w/ what's going on and you'll have a good idea what to play. Spreadsheets can't account for game day type variables.
Posted by CtotheVrzrbck
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Posted on 8/13/16 at 10:01 pm to
Florida A&M has a damn good coach in Alex Wood. If Ryan Stanley is their starter I'm taking the Rattlers and the points.
Posted by goldennugget
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Posted on 8/13/16 at 10:13 pm to
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tennessee -22.5 (just to have action opening night)


I think Tennessee 1H and Appalachian State for the full game is the way to go. My excel sheets were in love with Appalachian State, and while my own capping expects Tennessee to play well, I think Appalachian State is too talented to get beat by 21+. Also where are you getting 22.5, I am seeing this at 21 most places.

quote:

south carolina +3


I know I will be on this one, both my own capping and excel sheets are all about South Carolina. South Carolina also a great teaser candidate.

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tx am -2


Same as South Carolina, only more. My excel Spreadsheets love A&M, and my own capping loves them even more.

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southern miss +7


Don't have my sheets with me, but this play might be the one that my excel sheets liked the most out of every Week 1 game on the board.

quote:

wisconsin +10
usc +10.5
ole miss ??? line will change with fsu qb suspended


Haven't gotten to these yet.
This post was edited on 8/13/16 at 10:14 pm
Posted by goldennugget
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Posted on 8/13/16 at 10:21 pm to
quote:

Just use your football knowledge and keep up w/ what's going on and you'll have a good idea what to play. Spreadsheets can't account for game day type variables.


Using plain "football knowledge" will get you beat in the long run. It might work in the short run for a random weekend in Las Vegas, but to have any chance whatsoever of grinding out a profit you need to have at least some hard numbers to go off of.

The main use of my spreadsheets is comparing previous spreads. I.E. how did Team A with a rating differential of XXX from Team B with the line at XXX line perform. I then calculate the profitability of the bet using that information. I.E. Team A, with a rating differential of Team B of XXX. So I look for all matchups in my database where teams were within 0.25 Standard Deviations of the ratings differential, with a line similar to the line posted, and calculate the results against said line.

So if the result is 11/20 ATS, thats 55%, minus 52.4% which is a profitability result of 2.6%. Or if the result is 18/20 against covering a 10 point teaser, that is 90%, 10 point teaser legs must hit at 81.8% to profit, so thats 8.2% profitability in a 10 point teaser.

It's very crude, and probably not worth much, but it at least gives me something concrete to go off of to counter my personal biases when analyzing a game.
Posted by oleyeller
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Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 8/13/16 at 10:39 pm to
quote:

Also where are you getting 22.5, I am seeing this at 21 most places


i locked in a couple weeks ago.. its 21 now in mine also.


again, i only played this just to have action opening night on the game in watching. I normally dont bet tennessee games, but ill be all pumped opening night so decided to play them.

I really like sc and tx am.

As far as usm goes.. they were the best team against the ATS last yr i believe.

Posted by JG77056
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Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 8/14/16 at 12:02 am to
Norte Dame heavy
Posted by saintsfan1977
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Member since Jun 2010
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Posted on 8/14/16 at 12:19 am to
quote:

Using plain "football knowledge" will get you beat in the long run. It might work in the short run for a random weekend in Las Vegas, but to have any chance whatsoever of grinding out a profit you need to have at least some hard numbers to go off of.


Someone that has never watched a single NCAA Football game can make a really good profit if they have the right information. That information will probably cost money though and will not include a single football stat.
Posted by AlonsoWDC
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Member since Aug 2014
8767 posts
Posted on 8/14/16 at 12:48 am to
I don't care for future bets, but I love these two lines.

Charlotte O2.5
Temple U8.5
Posted by 632627
LA
Member since Dec 2011
12762 posts
Posted on 8/14/16 at 7:19 am to
[quote]Here is something I found in my research:

Since 2011, FBS teams are 24-2 against the spread vs. HBCUs.

Georgia vs. Southern last year was one of the two losses. The other was Cincinnati vs. Alabama A&M where Cincy missed the cover by half a point. [/quote

i remember that georgia game last year. Georgia was -49, and was only up 6 or 13 at half. Georgia then scored 5 td's in the third quarter and almost covered the spread.

i believe southern went on to win their conference last year. Fl A&m and Savannah state are the 2 worst teams in their conference.

I'm with you on miami up 42-0 at halftime.... the U first half will be my biggest bet first weekend.

This post was edited on 8/14/16 at 7:26 am
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