- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Coaching Changes
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
re: College Athletes Being Paid Question
Posted on 9/15/10 at 7:34 pm to lsu777
Posted on 9/15/10 at 7:34 pm to lsu777
Aside from Title IX, if you pay players-
1) would they then be covered by workers comp?
2) would they have to pay taxes on all of the benefits they receive? How much is a 4-5 year ride at Notre Dame valued at?
1) would they then be covered by workers comp?
2) would they have to pay taxes on all of the benefits they receive? How much is a 4-5 year ride at Notre Dame valued at?
0
Posted on 9/15/10 at 8:38 pm to cwill
quote:
College football is the most dishonest sport in America. We pretend the players are student athletes. We pretend that these kids are in school for an education that they have the capacity to take advantage of the educational opportunity. We have to build athletic academic centers with "tutors" to make sure these barely literate kids can make the bare minimum grades so they can suit up on Saturday for our drunk asses to cheer.
Football needs a mInor league system and college football needs to be returned to true student athletes.
Or they need to end the charade and just make playing college football a 4 year degree or just affiliate minor league football teams with colleges. Something. Honesty.
+1
This post was edited on 9/15/10 at 8:39 pm
Posted on 9/15/10 at 9:47 pm to LSUHeights
when i was saying not every one play at a powerhouse I was responding to the theory that no athletes are student athletes.
and I meant to have a job in the summer. I already explained that. most have them already, they should have to save some like a normal student.
If the family is dirt poor then I dont expect the family to pitch in, but rather the student athlete take out student loans like normal students who come from poor families.
Also my original point still stands, if only 10 programs last year made a profit, who pays for the other schools to pay players? Also if they implemented a stipend that is based off ticket sales then wouldn't the schools with the biggest players have a big time advantage?
and people need to quit saying that they need to end the charade of amateur sports. 90% of athletes who participate in NCAA athletics do not receive anything that could even remotely jeopardize their amateur status.
and I meant to have a job in the summer. I already explained that. most have them already, they should have to save some like a normal student.
If the family is dirt poor then I dont expect the family to pitch in, but rather the student athlete take out student loans like normal students who come from poor families.
Also my original point still stands, if only 10 programs last year made a profit, who pays for the other schools to pay players? Also if they implemented a stipend that is based off ticket sales then wouldn't the schools with the biggest players have a big time advantage?
and people need to quit saying that they need to end the charade of amateur sports. 90% of athletes who participate in NCAA athletics do not receive anything that could even remotely jeopardize their amateur status.
Posted on 9/15/10 at 9:51 pm to GeauxAggie972
Ryan Perrilloux randomly had an Escalade one day w/ a longhorns plate on it....
Posted on 9/15/10 at 9:53 pm to mylsuhat
and thats not the case for 90% of athletes.
Posted on 9/15/10 at 9:56 pm to lsu777
quote:i agree, but the high profile athletes get some kinda 'payment'
and thats not the case for 90% of athletes.
Posted on 9/15/10 at 10:25 pm to mylsuhat
and they shouldnt. universities should be doing a much better job of policing it self. and some of those cases are banks hedging future profits by giving out loans to questionable clients in the hope that those clients hit it big and stay with said bank.
Posted on 9/15/10 at 11:13 pm to lsu777
quote:
If the family is dirt poor then I dont expect the family to pitch in
oh well phew for them.
quote:
but rather the student athlete take out student loans like normal students who come from poor families.
you're not going to point out the big difference here I guess. Tim Tebow was not like ANY OTHER student on that campus. He (and the other star athletes) bring in tens to hundreds of millions of dollars for these universities. So his reward for that when he graduates? A degree and student loans that might take him ages to get out from under?
I can already see your making money in the NFL argument but remember, only an extremely small percentage of college athletes ever make even decent money playing professional sports.
Also, if you're not going to pay athletes because it opens up a Pandora's box, that's fine. But the Video games and jersey sales can get fricked. I hope to god someday that there's a massive lawsuit (bigger than Keller's) to bring this whole charade down.
Posted on 9/15/10 at 11:21 pm to LfcSU3520
I agree man the video game shite is ridiculous.
They actually did a break down of how the Navy qb runs the triple option during the ESPN telecast of the Maryland vs Navy game, and they used NCAA 11 to show how dangerous the real life kid was. I thought those guys on the EA game were just generic players stuck in there, and it was only coincidence the Navy qb shared his number, height, weight and classification?
They actually did a break down of how the Navy qb runs the triple option during the ESPN telecast of the Maryland vs Navy game, and they used NCAA 11 to show how dangerous the real life kid was. I thought those guys on the EA game were just generic players stuck in there, and it was only coincidence the Navy qb shared his number, height, weight and classification?
Posted on 9/15/10 at 11:34 pm to KBeezy
I don't expect the NCAA or the University to give athletes anything. I just don't want them to prevent them from making money off their image and name. It's theirs. Let them use it.
Posted on 9/15/10 at 11:39 pm to PurpleandGold Motown
But you Dont have a problem
With EA making money off the athletes image without their permission?
With EA making money off the athletes image without their permission?
Posted on 9/15/10 at 11:40 pm to KBeezy
I do have a problem with that. The athletes should be paid for their image. It's also selfish on my part, I want NCAA Football to have players that look like they are supposed to and I hate downloading rosters.
If it's really randomized. Make Mark Ingram and PP white.
If it's really randomized. Make Mark Ingram and PP white.
This post was edited on 9/15/10 at 11:41 pm
Posted on 9/15/10 at 11:54 pm to PurpleandGold Motown
Yeah I agree.. Everyone knows there is nothing random about
A 6'1" 214 pound junior cornerback wearing number 7 and hailing from Florida on LSU roster
A 6'1" 214 pound junior cornerback wearing number 7 and hailing from Florida on LSU roster
Posted on 9/16/10 at 8:13 am to lsu777
quote:
when i was saying not every one play at a powerhouse I was responding to the theory that no athletes are student athletes.
The majority of college football athletes are not student athletes and we should stop pretending they are.
Posted on 9/16/10 at 8:49 am to cwill
Seriously? Map all the players in the lower divisions who really have no chance of ever turning pro are not student athletes? Cause there are a lot more of those types then there are of players like lsu has. Also all the players on lower d1 teams aren't? Prolly only maybe 60% of lsu's team is like you say and that is a powerhouse team. I think you don't know what the hell you are talking about. Have you ever had classes with players?
Listen even a retard can make decent grades if they are forced to attend every class, must study everyday for 3 hours, must take notes in every class, have tutors to help them, are forced to take practice test, all while being in an easy major. 99% of ncaa athletes do not cheat, they are essentially forced to make the grades. I have no problem with this. You do realize that the average graduation rate across the country for normal students is around 60% right? The overall grad rate of athletes has got to be close to that if you take out those that turn pro, as those athletes have been educated in there trade of choice
Now I agree with the likeness problem especially with video games. Problem lies in the fact that how do you keep the playing field level? How do you keep schools like usc where they could get kids millions in advertising deals from getting every single player they want?
As far as student loans go, how much would they really need to take out? Just enough money to live on. Food, housing, and school are paid for. They wouldn't have a mountain of debt like what was stated. And each player doesn't make millions for the school. Overall if you took all of d1 football, well over 50% of players never come close on an individual level of making the school enough money to even repay their scholarship. For every Tim tebow there are 10 john Williams, Chris garret and brad smallings.
So many in this thread are only focusing on extreme cases and not the big picture.
Listen even a retard can make decent grades if they are forced to attend every class, must study everyday for 3 hours, must take notes in every class, have tutors to help them, are forced to take practice test, all while being in an easy major. 99% of ncaa athletes do not cheat, they are essentially forced to make the grades. I have no problem with this. You do realize that the average graduation rate across the country for normal students is around 60% right? The overall grad rate of athletes has got to be close to that if you take out those that turn pro, as those athletes have been educated in there trade of choice
Now I agree with the likeness problem especially with video games. Problem lies in the fact that how do you keep the playing field level? How do you keep schools like usc where they could get kids millions in advertising deals from getting every single player they want?
As far as student loans go, how much would they really need to take out? Just enough money to live on. Food, housing, and school are paid for. They wouldn't have a mountain of debt like what was stated. And each player doesn't make millions for the school. Overall if you took all of d1 football, well over 50% of players never come close on an individual level of making the school enough money to even repay their scholarship. For every Tim tebow there are 10 john Williams, Chris garret and brad smallings.
So many in this thread are only focusing on extreme cases and not the big picture.
Posted on 9/16/10 at 9:04 am to lsu777
quote:
Seriously? Map all the players in the lower divisions who really have no chance of ever turning pro are not student athletes?
Sure the kids playing football in the Ivy League are student athletes and maybe at some other lower division schools where scholarships aren't awarded or are very limited.
quote:
Prolly only maybe 60% of lsu's team is like you say and that is a powerhouse team. I think you don't know what the hell you are talking about. Have you ever had classes with players?
I don't think you know what you are talking about. You just don't want to admit it's a sham. I did have classes with athletes - only in a couple of bunk electives I took. And they sat in the back of the class and acted like middle schoolers.
And if you can only read at a 5th grade level you are not going to get decent grades in college unless someone does the work for you. You should read the Blindside - the real story isn't the sappy bullshite about the family taking in a kid that couldn't read and write - it's about how they phonied up his grades to get into Ole Miss and how many of the athletes were pretty much completely uneducated. 60% or more of the students lining up each Saturday have no business attending LSU.
Posted on 9/16/10 at 9:07 am to lsu777
Even if a plan could be figured out to pay athletes and by athletes we mean football players, it would not solve problems like Reggie Bush.
No amount any NCAA school could afford to pay players would be enough to stop Reggie Bush from taking a free house or Joe McKnight a car.
No amount any NCAA school could afford to pay players would be enough to stop Reggie Bush from taking a free house or Joe McKnight a car.
Posted on 9/16/10 at 9:46 am to cwill
So you saying somebody else is taking the test for them? I've had classes with athletes at both lsu and mcneese and I never saw that once.
And you just said 60% or more have no business being at lsu. Well if you go across the board that number would Prolly be less then 50% which means it is Damn close to the national average. That's what you don't seem to get, not even
60% of students who start college finish. Well athletes are the same way. And what about those that could have never gotten a degree without the athletic scholarship? Should we just give up on them? I'm not saying you are wrong on every account but across the ncaa I think you are wrong and are looking at things just through the lenses of a school in the sec. For every lsu there is a vanderbilt, a rice and a navy especially on the lower levels.
What many here don't understand is most athletic dept don't make money. It cost the schools money. Hell most football programs don't make money. They can't afford to pay players period, there is nothing else to argue unless you think athletic departments budgets should be subsided.
And you just said 60% or more have no business being at lsu. Well if you go across the board that number would Prolly be less then 50% which means it is Damn close to the national average. That's what you don't seem to get, not even
60% of students who start college finish. Well athletes are the same way. And what about those that could have never gotten a degree without the athletic scholarship? Should we just give up on them? I'm not saying you are wrong on every account but across the ncaa I think you are wrong and are looking at things just through the lenses of a school in the sec. For every lsu there is a vanderbilt, a rice and a navy especially on the lower levels.
What many here don't understand is most athletic dept don't make money. It cost the schools money. Hell most football programs don't make money. They can't afford to pay players period, there is nothing else to argue unless you think athletic departments budgets should be subsided.
Posted on 9/16/10 at 10:35 am to lsu777
I haven't read jack shite of any of the previous posts, but here's my opinion...
Absolutely NO WAY in hell should college athletes be "paid". They (MOST) are ALREADY being paid in the form of a SCHOLARSHIP. They are being "paid" to go to school and participate in a sport, while having the opportunity to earn a college degree FOR FREE. It's not a fricking job, athletics aren't the only aspect of college they partake in.
Absolutely NO WAY in hell should college athletes be "paid". They (MOST) are ALREADY being paid in the form of a SCHOLARSHIP. They are being "paid" to go to school and participate in a sport, while having the opportunity to earn a college degree FOR FREE. It's not a fricking job, athletics aren't the only aspect of college they partake in.
Posted on 9/16/10 at 11:45 am to GeauxDT
Thank you. Not only that but schools can't afford it.
It was said earlier that title 9 didn't apply but that's wrong. If the payment was part of the schalorahip, which it would have to be to regulate it, then they would have to match that dollar for dollar with a female athlete. Less then 15 out of 110 d1a schools athletic department turned a profit last year.
HOW IN THE HELL ARE THEY SUPPOSED YO ALSO AFFORD A STIPEND TO THE PLAYERS!?
It was said earlier that title 9 didn't apply but that's wrong. If the payment was part of the schalorahip, which it would have to be to regulate it, then they would have to match that dollar for dollar with a female athlete. Less then 15 out of 110 d1a schools athletic department turned a profit last year.
HOW IN THE HELL ARE THEY SUPPOSED YO ALSO AFFORD A STIPEND TO THE PLAYERS!?
Page 2 of 3
Popular
Back to top
Follow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News