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Clemson' D
Posted on 12/7/15 at 11:40 pm
Posted on 12/7/15 at 11:40 pm
Haven't had a chance to watch Clemson play this year. How does their D look? Do they have depth on their d line? What about the secondary
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Posted on 12/7/15 at 11:44 pm to BlueIndian420
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Posted on 12/7/15 at 11:48 pm to BlueIndian420
Got worse towards end of season. Many say early bye week caused them to be tired of late.
Posted on 12/7/15 at 11:49 pm to BlueIndian420
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21st in scoring defense at 21.1 ppg
6th in passing defense at 173 ypg
24th in rushing defense at 130 ypg
Tied with Alabama in INTs per game
8th in sacks per game at 3.1
They seem to be trending in the wrong direction, though. I will say, what they've done on defense is remarkable after losing 8 starters from last year's team.
Posted on 12/7/15 at 11:50 pm to ReauxlTide222
Their bye was week 4.. That's a lot of games with no breaks. I'm still not sold though that they are elite. They are good though imo
Posted on 12/7/15 at 11:55 pm to Johnny4lsu
If their offense is clicking, that defense is certainly good enough. I do question if they can take 60 minutes of being hit in the mouth, though. Alabama being in a shootout with them is a scary thought.
Posted on 12/8/15 at 12:15 am to ReauxlTide222
Their DL is ferocious. Easily - by quite a long shot - the best we played all year.
Their secondary can be had, and their LB's aren't so hot in pass coverage.
Spread them out and force them to play nickel and dime, and you can score points. I am not sure they are deep enough at DB and LB to keep elite spread teams in check, but their DL is as good as it gets. That DL we played was probably the best that we have played in the entire Kelly era, to include the 2012 Alabama DL.
Their secondary can be had, and their LB's aren't so hot in pass coverage.
Spread them out and force them to play nickel and dime, and you can score points. I am not sure they are deep enough at DB and LB to keep elite spread teams in check, but their DL is as good as it gets. That DL we played was probably the best that we have played in the entire Kelly era, to include the 2012 Alabama DL.
Posted on 12/8/15 at 12:19 am to AbuTheMonkey
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secondary can be had
Will Fuller disagrees with this. But yes the defense can give up big play. And the linebackers aren't that great in pass coverage.
Posted on 12/8/15 at 12:28 am to SlowEasyConfident
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Will Fuller disagrees with this. But yes the defense can give up big play. And the linebackers aren't that great in pass coverage.
A redshirt freshman had 321 yards in the air against you guys that night. I don't think anyone would disagree with the assessment that a team with a well-rounded passing attack can exploit that back 7. UNC was able to move the ball just last week doing a lot of that without banging their heads against the wall for 3 quarters like we did.
I give you guys a lot of credit for the run game, though - we have an elite OL, and we got got straight up stymied in that game.
I actually think you guys would be the worst match-up for Alabama in this play-off. I'd take Clemson and the points all day against Alabama if both your teams were to meet. A vicious and physical run defense and a potent dual-threat QB are pretty much exactly what it takes to best Saban, especially on seven days.
If you guys beat Oklahoma, I think you will win the title.
Posted on 12/8/15 at 12:43 am to AbuTheMonkey
Yeah it was a good game and think if that thing got to OT we lose. Kelly stuck with the run to long and should of spread us out earlier. Clemsons defense is underrated at stopping the run. Which is why OU is a difficult match up and I hope we get past them to give it a go at bama
Posted on 12/8/15 at 1:11 am to AbuTheMonkey
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I give you guys a lot of credit for the run game, though - we have an elite OL, and we got got straight up stymied in that game.
I actually think you guys would be the worst match-up for Alabama in this play-off. I'd take Clemson and the points all day against Alabama if both your teams were to meet. A vicious and physical run defense
No offense man, but most decent teams that CLemson faced this year were able to run at least somewhat effectively on them. I will take our Oline and Henry all day against their front 7.
Posted on 12/8/15 at 2:14 am to BlueIndian420
As I said in this same exact thread on tRant; why be worried about Clemson's D? Oklahoma has been playing the best of any team in the country recently. They are going to boat race Clemson.
The title game will come down to Bama v Oklahoma. Sparty's O plays right into the strength of Bama's D. The only shot Sparty has against Bama is if Connor Cook has a career day. I do not see them being able to run the ball on Bama at all.
The title game will come down to Bama v Oklahoma. Sparty's O plays right into the strength of Bama's D. The only shot Sparty has against Bama is if Connor Cook has a career day. I do not see them being able to run the ball on Bama at all.
Posted on 12/8/15 at 7:20 am to DannyB
The only game I really watched closely was the Florida State game. Dalvin Cook rushed for close to 200 yards (granted the first play of the game was a 70 yarder), but Clemson did hold FSU to 13 points.
Posted on 12/8/15 at 7:21 am to BlueIndian420
Their offense is better than Alabama's
Posted on 12/8/15 at 7:58 am to BlueIndian420
You don't need to worry about Clemson
Posted on 12/8/15 at 8:23 am to BlueIndian420
They got athletes to match anybody.
I am not buying the OU hype train. The big 12 fell into their lap with injuries. I think Clemson is the better team.
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As I said in this same exact thread on tRant; why be worried about Clemson's D? Oklahoma has been playing the best of any team in the country recently. They are going to boat race Clemson.
I am not buying the OU hype train. The big 12 fell into their lap with injuries. I think Clemson is the better team.
This post was edited on 12/8/15 at 8:26 am
Posted on 12/8/15 at 8:29 am to Dire Wolf
1). DL is one of best in country and, at least at the tackle position, deep; Depth at DE is big concern.
2). LB's are weakness of D and absolutely no depth; One of starting LB's is basically playing one with arm due to injury to other arm/shoulder.
3) M. Alexander in secondary is shut down corner and as good as it gets; Rest of secondary is solid, including J. Kearse, but has been prone to giving up big plays during the end of season stretch.
Defense is pretty solid considering the number of players lost to the draft last season. But LB and lack of depth all around are their main problems on D.
Brent Venables is their DC and has been outstanding since he's been at Clemson. He blitzes a lot and disguises them very well.
2). LB's are weakness of D and absolutely no depth; One of starting LB's is basically playing one with arm due to injury to other arm/shoulder.
3) M. Alexander in secondary is shut down corner and as good as it gets; Rest of secondary is solid, including J. Kearse, but has been prone to giving up big plays during the end of season stretch.
Defense is pretty solid considering the number of players lost to the draft last season. But LB and lack of depth all around are their main problems on D.
Brent Venables is their DC and has been outstanding since he's been at Clemson. He blitzes a lot and disguises them very well.
This post was edited on 12/8/15 at 8:30 am
Posted on 12/8/15 at 8:53 am to Roscoe
My thoughts on the Clemson D:
-Our DL is as good as any in the country. They are absolutely incredible, and Shaq Lawson is an NFL stud at DE. Our DT depth goes for days, but our DE depth is really just Lawson and Dodd. They're both real good, but if either of them went down we'd be in trouble.
-Our LBs, when healthy, are good between the tackles. They don't have great sideline to sideline speed, but they're really physical in the box. They're also good rushers for the most part.
-The LBs can be spread-out and had sideline-to-sideline. Just form a matchup standpoint I think they'd do better lining up and trying to out-physical Henry than spread-out and chasing Oklahoma's WRs all over the place (reminds me of the second half of the ND game
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-The CBs are pretty studly. Mac is a complete shutdown CB (ask Oklahoma's top WR what he thought about last year's bowl game), and Tank has been really good in his first year as a starter. Each of them are very physical at the LOS and have great ballskills. They're not very fast, and if you can beat them at the LOS they wouldn't be able to makeup the difference IMO.
-The safeties are complete hit or miss. Green (the one ejected in the UNC game) has been the more consistent player lately and is very good. Kearse is as physically impressive a player as you'll ever see (a 6'5 safety who runs like a deer), but lately he's been borderline bad. They say he's pretty banged-up, but Idk. He was dominant to start the year so it would be very nice to get that player back.
-Ever since he arrived at Clemson, Venables' strategy has been about TFLs and 3rd down defense. He leads the nation almost every year in both categories (think we do this year again). He's about putting teams behind the chains and getting off the field on 3rd down. He's as good a DC as any team has if not better.
-Early in the season this D was borderline dominant. Lately, however, they've been pretty hit or miss. They've made the plays when it matters, but they've also given up a lot of plays. We don't have a ton of depth so most are thinking this is a result of us having an extremely early bye week and people just being tired. If that's the case we should be hell to deal with come NYE. If it's more an indication of our true struggles on D, then Watson and Co better be ready for a shootout.
-Our DL is as good as any in the country. They are absolutely incredible, and Shaq Lawson is an NFL stud at DE. Our DT depth goes for days, but our DE depth is really just Lawson and Dodd. They're both real good, but if either of them went down we'd be in trouble.
-Our LBs, when healthy, are good between the tackles. They don't have great sideline to sideline speed, but they're really physical in the box. They're also good rushers for the most part.
-The LBs can be spread-out and had sideline-to-sideline. Just form a matchup standpoint I think they'd do better lining up and trying to out-physical Henry than spread-out and chasing Oklahoma's WRs all over the place (reminds me of the second half of the ND game
) -The CBs are pretty studly. Mac is a complete shutdown CB (ask Oklahoma's top WR what he thought about last year's bowl game), and Tank has been really good in his first year as a starter. Each of them are very physical at the LOS and have great ballskills. They're not very fast, and if you can beat them at the LOS they wouldn't be able to makeup the difference IMO.
-The safeties are complete hit or miss. Green (the one ejected in the UNC game) has been the more consistent player lately and is very good. Kearse is as physically impressive a player as you'll ever see (a 6'5 safety who runs like a deer), but lately he's been borderline bad. They say he's pretty banged-up, but Idk. He was dominant to start the year so it would be very nice to get that player back.
-Ever since he arrived at Clemson, Venables' strategy has been about TFLs and 3rd down defense. He leads the nation almost every year in both categories (think we do this year again). He's about putting teams behind the chains and getting off the field on 3rd down. He's as good a DC as any team has if not better.
-Early in the season this D was borderline dominant. Lately, however, they've been pretty hit or miss. They've made the plays when it matters, but they've also given up a lot of plays. We don't have a ton of depth so most are thinking this is a result of us having an extremely early bye week and people just being tired. If that's the case we should be hell to deal with come NYE. If it's more an indication of our true struggles on D, then Watson and Co better be ready for a shootout.
Posted on 12/8/15 at 9:21 am to DannyB
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As I said in this same exact thread on tRant; why be worried about Clemson's D? Oklahoma has been playing the best of any team in the country recently. They are going to boat race Clemson
Predicting a game after a three week layoff is next to impossible. Nobody on this planet would have predicted that Cole Stoudt led Clemson team would boat race OU last year when Cole Stoudt led Clemson team didn't boat race any other team last year.
So, you very well could be right. It is certainly possible that OU will boat race Clemson. However, I think its unlikely as long as Watson plays the entire game. If he's out/injured early in the game, all bets are off. But if he plays, odds are it will be a close game as Watson will keep his team in the game as he has every single game this season.
That aside, I think this talk of "OU playing the best of anyone in the country recently" is a little overblown and really mostly media hype. Yes, they played great in the last game against OSU. But just the week before, they squeaked by a TCU team by 1 point with Boykin well less than 100% and unable to run and also barely squeaked by the Baylor team playing with their backup true freshman QB. If OU dominated each of those final three games at the end, I would say they were playing the best of anyone, but that isn't what happened.
Posted on 12/8/15 at 9:40 am to DannyB
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Oklahoma has been playing the best of any team in the country recently. They are going to boat race Clemson.
Lulz. Clemson beat the dogshit out of Oklahoma last year with an Auburn-level QB. Now we have the best QB in the country.
This nonsense about Oklahoma boatracing Clemson is hysterical.
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