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re: Chris Carter guilty of bounties
Posted on 5/9/12 at 11:34 am to shel311
Posted on 5/9/12 at 11:34 am to shel311
No Saints fan that is rational thinks he was out to get the Saints.
The Saints had a Pay for Performance pool. Fact. Goodell got wind of it. There may have been an incident where Vilma "fake" put up 10k at Gregg Williams request as a motivational ploy before the NFCCG, and then returned the money.
And then:
Boom. And who can do something about it? He's got a CBA in his back pocket that makes him God. He played the media like a fiddle and has fans saying they don't need to see evidence! Burn them!
Goodell played it well. But he went too far with Vilma and Fujita, and now they are fighting back.
The Saints had a Pay for Performance pool. Fact. Goodell got wind of it. There may have been an incident where Vilma "fake" put up 10k at Gregg Williams request as a motivational ploy before the NFCCG, and then returned the money.
And then:
quote:
The Saints could be guilty of much smaller infractions but Goodell is using this opportunity and exaggerating them to cover the NFL's arse down the road.
Boom. And who can do something about it? He's got a CBA in his back pocket that makes him God. He played the media like a fiddle and has fans saying they don't need to see evidence! Burn them!
Goodell played it well. But he went too far with Vilma and Fujita, and now they are fighting back.
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Posted on 5/9/12 at 11:35 am to shel311
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Sure it is still a rule.
But if that was the case, hypothetically, these penalties would be on par with the police finding a dude smoking a joint and arresting him as a felon who is some kingpin drug dealer.
Well you kinda took that line out of context.
And yes, if they are being payed to perform then I would agree that it is a harsh punishment...but according to the only man that really matters, it was pay to injure.
And then that comes down to comment earlier of..."well no one got hurt"....which I really hope you can see makes no sense.
Posted on 5/9/12 at 11:38 am to Fun Bunch
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No Saints fan that is rational thinks he was out to get the Saints.
The Saints had a Pay for Performance pool. Fact. Goodell got wind of it
Like I said, I'm not even saying I believe the hypothetical I threw out, just throwing it out there.
But he could have gotten wind of something, coulda been from any team, and decided to take a stand then and there, hoping it'd protect the NFL's arse in the future.
A pay for performance(INTs and sacks and stuff like that) IMO wouldn't be called a bounty.
A bounty is to take out someone.
If it was simply pay for performance, I don't believe any Saints players/coaches would have gotten such harsh punishments, no chance.
So, I conclude that the penalties are for pay for injuring players. But I don't know if that ever happened, I simply don't.
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Boom. And who can do something about it? He's got a CBA in his back pocket that makes him God
And the players union dropped the ball big time on that one.
Posted on 5/9/12 at 11:39 am to taylork37
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And yes, if they are being payed to perform then I would agree that it is a harsh punishment...but according to the only man that really matters, it was pay to injure.
Evidence?
Posted on 5/9/12 at 11:40 am to Fun Bunch
Posted on 5/9/12 at 11:40 am to Fun Bunch
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Evidence?
Ask the NFLPA...
Posted on 5/9/12 at 11:44 am to taylork37
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Ask the NFLPA
Who doesn't have any since the league won't turn it over.
Posted on 5/9/12 at 11:46 am to Fun Bunch
Thanks for the explanation.
ETA :whoosh:
ETA :whoosh:
This post was edited on 5/9/12 at 11:49 am
Posted on 5/9/12 at 12:17 pm to shel311
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And the players union dropped the ball big time on that one.
Less than a year for both NFL & NBA getting new CBA's but it pretty much feels like the players of both leagues got the short end of these new deals.
Salaries, contract length, player discipline, whatever you can think of it seems like players took a step back or couldn't get out of a shitty situation.
Posted on 5/9/12 at 12:20 pm to jimithing11
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All you had to do was scroll down with your mouse you lazy German frick
You sound pretty mad
Posted on 5/9/12 at 12:26 pm to shel311
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The Saints could be guilty of much smaller infractions but Goodell is using this opportunity and exaggerating them to cover the NFL's arse down the road.
Perfectly put.
Posted on 5/9/12 at 12:35 pm to Telephone Tough Guy
From what Hasselbsck just said on SportsCenter... The stuff Carter probably did is akin to MLB when a pitcher hits the opposing team if his teammate gets plunked. Same thing in the NFL, if you take a cheap shot expect for a big lineman to get you back. Everyone is just protecting themselves I guess
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