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re: Cavs, TWolves, Pistons discussing trade
Posted on 5/28/11 at 8:55 pm to RonBurgundy
Posted on 5/28/11 at 8:55 pm to RonBurgundy
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the dumbest move was spending all the 2010 cap room a summer earlier.
Not really. They weren't going to get any of the big 2010 players. Too many teams cleared space for last summer.
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Posted on 5/28/11 at 8:58 pm to SlowFlowPro
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it saves detroit a lot of money
Completely irrelevant from a fan's perspective. I couldn't care less about their finances. There is absolutely no competitive advantage to clear salary in this instance. The Pistons do not stand to benefit by shedding contracts for nothing and overpaying in free agency.
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that's short term
No, holding on to the draft pick and attempting to move Rip for something more than a salary dump is long term. There is no "short term" fix out there for the Pistons.
This post was edited on 5/28/11 at 9:00 pm
Posted on 5/28/11 at 9:00 pm to brgfather129
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Completely irrelevant from a fan's perspective.
the fans aren't making this deal
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I couldn't care less about their finances.
ok. are you paying the salaries?
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There is absolutely no competitive advantage to clear salary in this instance.
i doubt their owner wants to spend that cash on a shitty team. this saves him $25M
i never get why people flip out over nba teams dumping contracts. they do it pretty much all the fricking time
Posted on 5/28/11 at 9:01 pm to RonBurgundy
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the dumbest move was spending all the 2010 cap room a summer earlier.
Saving the cap room was never an option anyway...Pistons were never going to be a major player in FA.
Posted on 5/28/11 at 9:08 pm to brgfather129
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Completely irrelevant from a fan's perspective. I couldn't care less about their finances. There is absolutely no competitive advantage to clear salary in this instance. The Pistons do not stand to benefit by shedding contracts for nothing and overpaying in free agency.
You should. In a league with salary cap that will likely decrease, this is good for your team.
Posted on 5/28/11 at 9:10 pm to SlowFlowPro
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ok. are you paying the salaries?
Laughable. Complete cherry-picking of my post.
I'll state this again, since apparently you missed it the first time.
Name one competitive advantage that exists in the Pistons trading Rip and the #8 for nothing. I'll wait.
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i never get why people flip out over nba teams dumping contracts. they do it pretty much all the fricking time
Teams "dump contracts" when it makes sense to do so competitively. When they can gain something in return. Here, the Pistons gain nothing. What, it saves the organization on their payroll? Awesome.
Posted on 5/28/11 at 10:04 pm to brgfather129
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Laughable. Complete cherry-picking of my post.
i think i quoted all of your post...or at least almost all of it. essentially all of it
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Name one competitive advantage that exists in the Pistons trading Rip and the #8 for nothing. I'll wait.
their owner saves money, which he can spend in any number of ways (if he spends it at all)
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Teams "dump contracts" when it makes sense to do so competitively.
define making sense "competitively" please
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When they can gain something in return.
not paying salary is gaining something in return
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Here, the Pistons gain nothing.
they gain $25M
they'll be under the cap also
it's rare a team can trade a big, shitty contract without taking a shitty one back. the pistons don't do that
they're not even giving up much
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What, it saves the organization on their payroll? Awesome.
i fail to see why you're so negative about this
Posted on 5/28/11 at 10:39 pm to SlowFlowPro
As a Pistons fan, one competitive advantage I see is that the team and fans don't need to worry about all of his off the court drama. That being said, I hope we find a new coach. Kuester doesn't do it for me, and its not like this team has no talent whatsoever. They were the pride of the city when they were good, now no one cares as we are just waiting to see if they become good again.
Posted on 5/28/11 at 10:47 pm to HumbleNinja
I'm not sure I would be that stoked on having the 1 and 2 in this year's draft, although in Cleveland's case it doesn't seem like they are giving up much to do it.
To me Irving doesn't have star potential. Williams has great up size, but will he find a position in the league?
On paper, despite this being a really weak draft, I like this move more for Minnesota
To me Irving doesn't have star potential. Williams has great up size, but will he find a position in the league?
On paper, despite this being a really weak draft, I like this move more for Minnesota
Posted on 5/28/11 at 11:50 pm to HumbleNinja
This is good for detroit because they are losing money and they get rid of Rip's drama
Posted on 5/29/11 at 12:51 am to supatigah
Seems like a good trade for all of them.
Posted on 5/29/11 at 1:54 am to IceMan77
it's a great trade for the two teams that actually get something from it. I would give up my #4 pick for a #2 and rip hamilton any day.
But I heard that they're just going to buy out rip as soon as they get him.
I just really don't see why Detroit would give up all of that for free. I get that it's all about money but giving up one of your best players and your draft pick will set you back farther than you already have. Does he just hope to make his team worse so they will get the #1 pick next year and then use all the money they saved by ditching rip to pay their pick and another big star?
But I heard that they're just going to buy out rip as soon as they get him.
I just really don't see why Detroit would give up all of that for free. I get that it's all about money but giving up one of your best players and your draft pick will set you back farther than you already have. Does he just hope to make his team worse so they will get the #1 pick next year and then use all the money they saved by ditching rip to pay their pick and another big star?
Posted on 5/29/11 at 2:35 am to JKtiger4ever
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but giving up one of your best players
He's not very good any more.
He's turned into a terribly inefficient shooter.
Posted on 5/29/11 at 9:18 pm to shel311
ESPN is saying Kuester is out. Probably makes it more likely Rip is back...I would rather give up everything and get his bitch arse off the payroll.
Posted on 5/29/11 at 9:26 pm to Bunk Moreland
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ESPN is saying Kuester is out. Probably makes it more likely Rip is back...I would rather give up everything and get his bitch arse off the payroll.
Wouldn't mind firing Kuester as well as getting rid of the once great, now cancerous, Richard RIIIIIIIIIIP Hamilton.
Yesssssssir
Posted on 5/30/11 at 6:27 am to Bunk Moreland
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ESPN is saying Kuester is out
and that Mike Woodson will likely get an interview. the return of Woodyball!
as for the trade, seems like the Pistons could do better when giving up the #8 pick, even if it is the #8 pick in a bad draft.
Posted on 5/30/11 at 7:40 am to ATLTiger
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as for the trade, seems like the Pistons could do better when giving up the #8 pick, even if it is the #8 pick in a bad draft.
Of course they could. When you are an organization like the Pistons...one that cannot attract top-tier FA's, and the ones they can attract they have to overpay for, you don't just pawn off lottery picks in a cost-cutting move.
Bad draft or not, they can still find a productive player at #8.
Posted on 5/30/11 at 9:23 am to brgfather129
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they can still find a productive player at #8.
it's not likely
probably 25-30% chance at best
Posted on 5/30/11 at 9:24 am to brgfather129
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one that cannot attract top-tier FA's,
when was the last time the pistons attempted to sign a top-tier FA?
and anyway, you can get top talent without signing them as a FA. hell, the pistons' championship year was on the back of rasheed wallace, whot hey acquired at the deadlines for nothing (salary dump by atlanta...OH THE HORROR)
Posted on 5/30/11 at 9:27 am to SlowFlowPro
From north carolina......RASHHHHHHHHHHEEEEEEEED WALLLLLLLLACE
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