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Posted on 6/1/10 at 2:35 pm to el tigre
quote:if Denver did it to Nash or Rondo or Rose they wouldn't be able to handle it, but Denver wouldn't be able to do that to those guys because they have better players around them and can't just concentrate on stoppin one person like that, blame the Hornets team for not steppin up to help their PG.
so if you HAVE to win one game you want a guy that cant handle rough play?
Posted on 6/1/10 at 2:37 pm to msutiger
Bowen thinks the Celtics will handle the Lakers. He gave some pretty good defensive reasons why.
I placed a decent sized series bet on the Celtics after listening to his breakdown.
I placed a decent sized series bet on the Celtics after listening to his breakdown.
Posted on 6/1/10 at 2:37 pm to el tigre
Rondo being better at man defense I'll give you. I disagree that he's a better penetrator. Not sure him being a better rebounder really means much as a PG.
Posted on 6/1/10 at 2:37 pm to tubucoco
why not answer the question? you would take Paul TODAY over Rondo?
Posted on 6/1/10 at 2:38 pm to el tigre
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This post was edited on 6/1/10 at 2:39 pm
Posted on 6/1/10 at 2:39 pm to tubucoco
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if Denver did it to Nash or Rondo or Rose they wouldn't be able to handle it, but Denver wouldn't be able to do that to those guys because they have better players around them and can't just concentrate on stoppin one person like that, blame the Hornets team for not steppin up to help their PG.
You are digging real deep here. So now, it makes no difference how good Paul is...he could even be worse than Rondo...but if he has enforcers on his team, he could play his game? Enforcers...such as Bowen? Horry?
This is just weak man. We are comapring pgs, and we stand at someone defending poor play in one series of his career because the other coach sent the dogs and roughed him up? Wow. I suppose the officiating was biased too?
Posted on 6/1/10 at 2:40 pm to TGHub
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Not sure him being a better rebounder really means much as a PG.
maybe, maybe not...but it doesn't hurt his status now does it?
Posted on 6/1/10 at 2:41 pm to el tigre
quote:[qualifier]IF Paul is healthy [/qualifier] YES. Without question. And it's not close.
why not answer the question? you would take Paul TODAY over Rondo?
And nobody is penalizing Rondo for playing w/ better talent around him, but surrounding has to be a factor in evaluating an individual, ESPECIALLY when trying to factor in team success.
Posted on 6/1/10 at 2:42 pm to Jamohn
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[qualifier]IF Paul is healthy [/qualifier] YES. Without question. And it's not close.
ok, now try it without qualifiers. That's how i am answering this question...in reality, not hope, dreams, and qualifiers.
Posted on 6/1/10 at 2:42 pm to Jamohn
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ESPECIALLY when trying to factor in team success.
Well...I guess Rondo can only win an NBA title? So if he does that, it's still not enough?
Posted on 6/1/10 at 2:43 pm to Jamohn
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And nobody is penalizing Rondo for playing w/ better talent around him, but surrounding has to be a factor in evaluating an individual, ESPECIALLY when trying to factor in team success
yes, just like a lack of surrounding talent can inflate your stats.
Posted on 6/1/10 at 2:44 pm to TexasTiger08
no one said enforcers, I said better players meaning guys that can score, and take the heat off him, the Hornets couldn't do shite against Denver which is why they stopped Paul in his tracks.
you think Denver would be able to do that to Nash with J Rich and Hill and Frye all killin their asses from outside or Boston woth Allen, pierse and Garnett, Wallace doing the same shite.
yeah, right, that's weak.
you think Denver would be able to do that to Nash with J Rich and Hill and Frye all killin their asses from outside or Boston woth Allen, pierse and Garnett, Wallace doing the same shite.
yeah, right, that's weak.
Posted on 6/1/10 at 2:44 pm to el tigre
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yes, just like a lack of surrounding talent can inflate your stats.
i.e. Allen Iverson
Posted on 6/1/10 at 2:45 pm to tubucoco
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you think Denver would be able to do that to Nash with J Rich and Hill and Frye all killin their asses from outside or Boston woth Allen, pierse and Garnett, Wallace doing the same shite
That Denver team? Yeah, I do think they could do that.
Posted on 6/1/10 at 2:45 pm to el tigre
TexasTiger, Nobody is doubting his ability. He is definatly a good player and he has done beyond his duties in boston. the question is if Rondo is better than Paul. The awsner is absolutley not. The same conversation was had a year or 2 ago about Tony Parker. he was the coolest thing since sliced bread when he was winning with the spurs. Now those talks have cooled off and he is not even mentioned in this list of top 5 players. We are all caught up in the moment. Rondo just came off of the best month of basketball he has ever played. thats all stuck in our mind.
Posted on 6/1/10 at 2:46 pm to el tigre
Put Chris Paul on Boston's team and let's see what happens, hell, I wish he was on Cleveland's team, I guarantee you they would have beat Boston.
Posted on 6/1/10 at 2:46 pm to TexasTiger08
This is how i think Paul and Rondo stack up:
Paul is a better:
penetrator(it's close though)
finisher at the rim
passer
shooter in all phases(including FT's, which is important for close late game situations)
Rondo is better:
rebounder
on ball defender
I think they're pretty equal in help defense, but that may just be me
Paul is a better:
penetrator(it's close though)
finisher at the rim
passer
shooter in all phases(including FT's, which is important for close late game situations)
Rondo is better:
rebounder
on ball defender
I think they're pretty equal in help defense, but that may just be me
Posted on 6/1/10 at 2:47 pm to TGHub
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Paul is a better:
penetrator(it's close though)
finisher at the rim
i think Rondo is a better penetrator, but when Paul does get to the rim he has better touch.
BUT, does Paul have his old burst anymore? Will he ever have the same quickness to penetrate?
This post was edited on 6/1/10 at 2:48 pm
Posted on 6/1/10 at 2:47 pm to BaileyTiger
So in a nutshell...what does Rondo have to do to enter the "conversation"?
Well, Paul isn't a part of too much winning these days, at least anything of significance. So...?
quote:
Tony Parker. he was the coolest thing since sliced bread when he was winning with the spurs.
Well, Paul isn't a part of too much winning these days, at least anything of significance. So...?
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