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As leagues discuss the 12 team playoffs, the fate of divisions will be in the crosshairs
From Pete Thamel

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As leagues prepare to discuss the 12-team playoff, the fate of divisions will be in the crosshairs. With more at-large bids at stake, leagues may find more urgency to put their two best teams in the league title game. Expect leagues to make a deep dive on the potential impact.

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There's multiple scenarios to consider. Could a league's top ranked team get upset by an 8-4 team and end up with the league getting shut out of CFP? Also, could an upset allow two teams in the league to get in. (Much like the Clemson-ND scenario from this division-less season.)

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More on the fate of divisions, from a source: “Schools will certainly propose legislation to deregulate championship games. Right now, you have to play a full round robin or match division champions. Leagues need to be able to determine how they select the championship matchup.”


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re: As leagues discuss the 12 team playoffs, the fate of divisions will be in the crosshairs
I mean... a lot of us have been saying for years now that once conferences got to 14-16 teams divisions should be dumped in favor of small pods of protected rivalries so conference members could all play each other in a 4-5 year period.

Not sure why it's taken the prospect of a 12 team playoff for conference leaders to finally grasp how divisions are detrimental once a conference gets past 12 teams.
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re: As leagues discuss the 12 team playoffs, the fate of divisions will be in the crosshairs
And just like that the whole “2 G5’s could make it!” goes up in smoke

Maybe not completely actually, but far less likely


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re: As leagues discuss the 12 team playoffs, the fate of divisions will be in the crosshairs
Most if not all of the G5s will be doing the same thing too though. Dumping divisions will help them just as much as it helps P5s.
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re: As leagues discuss the 12 team playoffs, the fate of divisions will be in the crosshairs
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With more at-large bids at stake, leagues may find more urgency to put their two best teams in the league title game.


I’d figure it’d be the opposite for power conferences. Most power conferences have one top 5 team and then two or three top 15ish teams.

Why would you want one of those top 15ish teams to suffer an extra loss? Let Ohio State run Northwestern in the B1G title game and then Penn State can back there way in.

How many times is a P5 champion going to finish outside the top 6 highest ranked conference champions? It’s far more likely you lose an at-large team matching up the two top teams.

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Right now, you have to play a full round robin or match division champions


Does the American not already just pick its top two teams? They don’t play a full round robin.
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re: As leagues discuss the 12 team playoffs, the fate of divisions will be in the crosshairs
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Does the American not already just pick its top two teams? They don’t play a full round robin.


Yes. They dropped divisions when UConn left.


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re: As leagues discuss the 12 team playoffs, the fate of divisions will be in the crosshairs
It will, but it removes the scenario of a 4-loss P5 champ


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TomRollTideRitter
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re: As leagues discuss the 12 team playoffs, the fate of divisions will be in the crosshairs
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Yes. They dropped divisions when UConn left.


So did Thamel just pull that quote out of his ass? Wouldn’t be surprising if so.


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Dr RC
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re: As leagues discuss the 12 team playoffs, the fate of divisions will be in the crosshairs
True but the odds of that are generally pretty low. The only time I can remember something like that happening was when a 7-5 Wisconsin somehow blew out a 10-2 Nebraska in 2012. However, the Badgers were only even in that game b/c both Ohio State and Penn State were ineligible to play for the conference title.


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re: As leagues discuss the 12 team playoffs, the fate of divisions will be in the crosshairs
Do not like. Real rivalries (or at least histories) have been developed between LSU and the rest of the SEC west up and down. I don't want to play Kentucky and Vanderbilt more frequently. The only win would be Georgia but I'll take making sure LSU plays the entire SEC west every year before I'd take playing UGA a little more regularly.

This would be terrible


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re: As leagues discuss the 12 team playoffs, the fate of divisions will be in the crosshairs
Divisions in a 14 team or more conference is ridiculous.


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re: As leagues discuss the 12 team playoffs, the fate of divisions will be in the crosshairs
Non-P5 schools will now face an interesting dilemma when it comes to scheduling P5 schools. On the one hand, the better P5 schools offer A LOT more money -- money that many of these schools rely on to run their programs. However, in the new 12-game format, a loss to a P5 school will almost certainly ruin any chances that non-P5 school has to make it to the playoffs (even if they go undefeated in their own conference), which will also cost them a lot of money.

On the other hand, a win against a decent P5 conference team will enhance their resume and would ALMOST guarantee them a playoff spot IF they go undefeated in their own conference.

So, for non-P5 conference teams who may be in contention (something that is hard to determined 5 years out when these schedules are made), it seems like it would be in their best interest to play against middle-tier or lower-tier P5 conference teams and avoid the better teams.

The result will be that the better P5 conference teams will have to schedule the dregs of the non-P5 teams which, of course, will hurt their SOS greatly.

With a 12 team playoff, scheduling between P5 teams and non-P5 teams will get interesting. Look for non-P5 teams to put in some sort of small buy-outs and opportunities to switch opponents (right before the season) in their contracts so that their chances of making the playoffs increase in those years where they might field a good team.


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re: As leagues discuss the 12 team playoffs, the fate of divisions will be in the crosshairs
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More on the fate of divisions, from a source: “Schools will certainly propose legislation to deregulate championship games.
Auburn should be at the front of the line to do this. 2017 being the perfect example for why this was unnecessary for even a 4 team playoff format.


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re: As leagues discuss the 12 team playoffs, the fate of divisions will be in the crosshairs
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And just like that the whole “2 G5’s could make it!” goes up in smoke


good


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