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re: Are Lebron and Wade the Top 2 Players in the NBA?
Posted on 5/11/11 at 8:49 am to BayouBengals03
Posted on 5/11/11 at 8:49 am to BayouBengals03
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Wade carried a team to a championship, with one of the greatest individual performances in Finals history.
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Posted on 5/11/11 at 8:53 am to sgallo3
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DWade is because the top end talent now is shite compared to what it was then.
No, the top talent just looked better in the past because the rest of the players were worse. Its easier to stand out against lesser players.
Dirk and Duncan are better than any 90s PFs
Lebron would get to the rim all the time if you still had to play man to man D and couldnt leave someone in the paint guarding noone
This post was edited on 5/11/11 at 8:57 am
Posted on 5/11/11 at 8:54 am to sgallo3
Dirks been the best PF in the league for about 5 years now
Posted on 5/11/11 at 8:57 am to Ghazi
And he is better than any 90s 4s
Posted on 5/11/11 at 9:33 am to sgallo3
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And he is better than any 90s 4s
Dirk is one of the best 4's of alltime.
The 90's guys sucked!
Karl Malone
Charles Barkley
Dennis Rodman
Larry Johnson
Derrick Coleman
Shawn Kemp
Cliff Robinson
Tim Duncan (3 years)
Youre a young fella obviously but unless you watched the NBA of the 90's you really cant appreciate what a sham the game is today in comparison. Like another poster said,
80's and 90's basketball = The Golden Age
Posted on 5/11/11 at 9:44 am to bomber77
Malone is the only one on that list on the same level as Duncan and Dirk
Thats just ur biased memories. The modern athletes in every sport are better than their predecessors. Now some are ahead of their time, like jordan, but overall the talent pool of all sports is better and deeper than ever before. U can either accept it or live in denial, but its a fact
Everything gets better with time: technology, sports, science, education, etc. The best players, the best era of every sports are in the current era.
Swimming: Phelps, greatest swimmer that has ever lived
Golf: Tiger, greatest golfer that has ever lived
Running: Usain Bolt, fastest runner that has ever lived
Tennis: Federer, greatest tennis player that has ever lived
MMA: Fedor, greatest fighter that has ever lived.
Weightlifting: Ronnie Coleman, greatest weightlifter that has ever lived
NFL, Soccer: Now they are better than ever.
NBA: Best it has EVER been . Yet people are delusional and think it was better 30 years ago because that was the prime of their lives
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80's and 90's basketball = The Golden Age
Thats just ur biased memories. The modern athletes in every sport are better than their predecessors. Now some are ahead of their time, like jordan, but overall the talent pool of all sports is better and deeper than ever before. U can either accept it or live in denial, but its a fact
Everything gets better with time: technology, sports, science, education, etc. The best players, the best era of every sports are in the current era.
Swimming: Phelps, greatest swimmer that has ever lived
Golf: Tiger, greatest golfer that has ever lived
Running: Usain Bolt, fastest runner that has ever lived
Tennis: Federer, greatest tennis player that has ever lived
MMA: Fedor, greatest fighter that has ever lived.
Weightlifting: Ronnie Coleman, greatest weightlifter that has ever lived
NFL, Soccer: Now they are better than ever.
NBA: Best it has EVER been . Yet people are delusional and think it was better 30 years ago because that was the prime of their lives
This post was edited on 5/11/11 at 10:03 am
Posted on 5/11/11 at 9:59 am to sgallo3
What do the players think?
Kevin Garnett, Tim Duncan, Tracy McGrady
KICKS: If you guys could change one rule in the League, what would it be?
Kevin Garnett: No zone.
Tim Duncan : Yeah, the zone.
Kevin Garnett: If there was one rule I could change today, it would be the zone.
KICKS: Because it didn’t do what they thought it would do?
Kevin Garnett: I think it puts players that are really good at a disadvantage, so to speak. Everybody here gets double-teams, if not triple-teams, so we can all speak on this. But it sorta—I remember Phoenix sat somebody literally right there [in the lane].
Tracy McGrady: It makes it hard for a guy like me—
Kevin Garnett: —who penetrates.
Tim Duncan: It makes it hard for all of us.
Tracy McGrady: It’s tough on all of us, it really is. When you’re tryin’ to make a move, and you got another guy sittin’ right there on the same side just waitin’…
Kevin Garnett: Waitin’ on you!
Tracy McGrady: Just waitin’.
Kevin Garnett: He ain’t even playin’ his man!
Tracy McGrady: Nah, not at all.
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November, 2007: Kobe Bryant:
"The rules are completely different now,'' said Bryant, comparing his era to Jordan's. "I've always been able to shoot the ball, but the rules have changed since he played in terms of playing a zone defense. You have to be a jump shooter now because there's no way you can get to the basket -- particularly myself because they just stack guys up. I wish we had the rules they had back in the day where you could isolate guys and you could go to the basket anytime. But now you have to be able to shoot.''
Posted on 5/11/11 at 10:08 am to Ghazi
This thread is truly full of some of the dumbest shite I've ever seen on this site. This current Heat team has won ONE playoff series. ONE. And what exactly has LeBron won yet to warrant such optimism for his future? Is it because he bitched out and helped form a super team? Time will tell, but you can't say this Heat team isn't a super team until you are blue in the face and then try and tell me Wade and LeBron are the two best players in the league. That's a super team if there ever was one if you truly believe that bullshite. Heat fans contradict themselves.
On one hand you want to de-value the team to further enhance whatever accomplishments batman and robin might acheieve and then you argue they are the two beat in the game, forgetting the fact thy have a transgendered all star power forward.
On one hand you want to de-value the team to further enhance whatever accomplishments batman and robin might acheieve and then you argue they are the two beat in the game, forgetting the fact thy have a transgendered all star power forward.
Posted on 5/11/11 at 10:38 am to UnluckyTiger
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but you can't say this Heat team isn't a super team until you are blue in the face and then try and tell me Wade and LeBron are the two best players in the league. That's a super team if there ever was one if you truly believe that bullshite. Heat fans contradict themselves.
They are a superstar team, but that doesnt matter. People are saying Jordan + Pippen are better than Lebron + Wade so does that mean their titles dont count because the bulls had to bring in pippen?
People just wanna hate lebron, superstars have been teaming up in the nba forever to win titles, and its even more important now that teams can run zone defense so lebron cant just isolate one on one and drive to the lane all game long like jordan used to do
Posted on 5/11/11 at 10:47 am to sgallo3
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and its even more important now that teams can run zone defense so lebron cant just isolate one on one and drive to the lane all game long like jordan used to do
Basically no one in the NBA now playes zone defense. They play help defense, virtually the same defense that was played in Jordans day. Youre just way off on this fact. Do you think that Jordan just had to beat his man then he had a layup with no defensive help?
Posted on 5/11/11 at 11:14 am to sgallo3
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No, the top talent just looked better in the past because the rest of the players were worse. Its easier to stand out against scrub players.
lol
Posted on 5/11/11 at 11:22 am to sgallo3
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The modern athletes in every sport are better than their predecessors. Now some are ahead of their time, like jordan, but overall the talent pool of all sports is better and deeper than ever before. U can either accept it or live in denial, but its a fact
hahaha you are killing me.
basketball athletes from 20-25 years ago are not much different from one's now. The rules have changed, sure. The athletes may be a small notch better. But the overall skill is way down. And basketball is a game where you can get by on skills.
Posted on 5/11/11 at 11:29 am to bomber77
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Basically no one in the NBA now playes zone defense. They play help defense, virtually the same defense that was played in Jordans day. Youre just way off on this fact. Do you think that Jordan just had to beat his man then he had a layup with no defensive help?
Jordan is the best that ever played, look up the highlights of him going under the rim and all around the rim, double pumps and everything. This does not change the fact that defense wasnt played the same way the first 9 seasons he was in the league
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There are 3 eras here
1984-2000: no zone d, handchecking allowed
2001-05: zone d, handchecking allowed
2005-09: zone d, no handchecking
This post was edited on 5/11/11 at 11:36 am
Posted on 5/11/11 at 11:55 am to Lester Earl
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basketball athletes from 20-25 years ago are not much different from one's now. The rules have changed, sure. The athletes may be a small notch better. But the overall skill is way down. And basketball is a game where you can get by on skills.
How can u say skill is down?
2008-09 season had the highest league average FT% and 3PT% ever. The difference is defenses are better nowadays.
Posted on 5/11/11 at 12:36 pm to sgallo3
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2008-09 season had the highest league average FT% and 3PT% ever.
i dont think that is totally indicative of the skillfulness of the league. In fact, I would guess the league averages are always quite similar. I dont know the number off hand.
ill just say players try to rely on their athleticism way more now than they did back then.
Posted on 5/11/11 at 1:00 pm to Lester Earl
Fundamentals in todays NBA are a fraction of what they use to be. The players that make all-nba defensive teams now wouldnt have sniffed them in the 90's. (Howard is the exeption exept even he doesnt have to play against real big men now)
Blocking out, getting back on defense, pick and roll defense, man up defense, offensive picking and running of offensive sets. All of these have fallen off todays NBA table.
Also the competitive nature of the game has changed. Teams no longer dislike other teams as a rule. Its a me me thing now. Dancing and hugging and celebrating before games even start!
One day Im going to make a list of my favorite James moments! One that just popped in my head was in last years playoffs when all of a sudden his elbow was hurting so bad he "had" to shoot the free throw left handed. The next night before the game he was practicing his half court under hand shots with his bad elbow.
Todays game really can be like bad comedy!!
Blocking out, getting back on defense, pick and roll defense, man up defense, offensive picking and running of offensive sets. All of these have fallen off todays NBA table.
Also the competitive nature of the game has changed. Teams no longer dislike other teams as a rule. Its a me me thing now. Dancing and hugging and celebrating before games even start!
One day Im going to make a list of my favorite James moments!
One that just popped in my head was in last years playoffs when all of a sudden his elbow was hurting so bad he "had" to shoot the free throw left handed. The next night before the game he was practicing his half court under hand shots with his bad elbow. Todays game really can be like bad comedy!!
Posted on 5/11/11 at 1:18 pm to bomber77
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Fundamentals in todays NBA are a fraction of what they use to be. The players that make all-nba defensive teams now wouldnt have sniffed them in the 90's. (Howard is the exeption exept even he doesnt have to play against real big men now)
Blocking out, getting back on defense, pick and roll defense, man up defense, offensive picking and running of offensive sets. All of these have fallen off todays NBA table.
The problem is that you are overvalueing the things you enjoy. Solid fundamentals are always brought up by people arguing for the old era teamd. Why do u think UConn won the NCAA title this year instead of a solid fundamental team like princeton?
Do you think NBA teams arent trying to win games? If solid fundamental teams were the way to win, dont you think someone would build a team like that? Why do you think teams went away from that in the first place? I can tell you why, because they werent winning anymore
Posted on 5/11/11 at 1:26 pm to sgallo3
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If solid fundamental teams were the way to win, dont you think someone would build a team like that?
spurs?
pistons?
celtics??
overly athletic teams, in your eyes?
Posted on 5/11/11 at 1:33 pm to sgallo3
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The problem is that you are overvalueing the things you enjoy. Solid fundamentals are always brought up by people arguing for the old era teamd. Why do u think UConn won the NCAA title this year instead of a solid fundamental team like princeton?
Luck and the fact that todays college basketball sucks. Lets go back 30-40 years. Pick me out a UCLA championship team that this years UConn team beats!
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If solid fundamental teams were the way to win, dont you think someone would build a team like that?
The Spurs won 4 titles and a huge factor was how fundamentally sound they were.
Anyone who thinks that the 80's Lakers, 80's Celtics, Bad Boy Pistons, Jordans Bulls, Akeems Rockets etc couldnt win the title this year because the new game is so much advanced is nuts imo.
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I can tell you why, because they werent winning anymore
So if one of todays teams would actually practice and play great basketball fundamentals they would be worse?
Lets take your Heat. Do they beat any of the above mentioned teams in a 7 game series?
Posted on 5/11/11 at 1:35 pm to Ghazi
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sorry man
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