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Another MVP Discussion
Posted on 5/27/18 at 12:06 pm
Posted on 5/27/18 at 12:06 pm
Lets get this out of the way. Yes, I dislike Harden, yes I am biased towards AD. But I am genuinely curious how you feel about the MVP discussion at this point, after all the votes are in, and on the verge of the NBA finals. Has the performances of the 3 MVP finalists shifted your order of the most valuable at all in your mind?
2017-18 Regular Season:
James Harden
-35.4 MPG, 44.9 FG%, 36.7 3PT%, 85.8 FT%, 5.4 RPG, 8.8 APG, 0.7 blocks, 1.8 steals, 2.3 fouls, 4.4 TOs, 30.4 PPG, 29.87 PER
-advanced: 3.8 DWS, 15.4 WS, .289 WS/48, 1.3 DBPM
-Rockets won 65 regular season games and had the best supporting cast around Harden
Anthony Davis
-36.4 MPG, 53.4 FG%, 34.0 3PT%, 82.8 FT%, 11.1 RPG, 2.3 APG, 2.6 blocks, 1.5 steals, 2.1 fouls, 2.2 TOs, 28.1 PPG, 28.98 PER
-advanced: 4.9 DWS, 13.7 WS, .241 WS/48. 2.3 DBPM
-named to first team all defense and finalist for DPOY
-Pelicans won 48 regular season games and had the second best supporting cast amongst these 3
LeBron James
-36.9 MPG, 54.2 FG%, 36.7 3PT%, 73.1 FT%, 8.6 RPG, 9.1 APG, 0.9 blocks, 1.4 steals, 1.7 fouls, 4.2 TOs, 27.5 PPG, 28.65 PER
-advanced: 3.0 DWS, 14.0 WS, .221 WS/48, 2.0 DBPM
-Cavs won 50 regular season games and had the worst supporting around LeBron
2017-18 Post-Season
James Harden
-36.1 MPG, 41.0 FG%, 31.1 3PT%, 89.6 FT%, 5.2 RPG, 6.9 APG, 0.6 blocks, 2.1 steals, 2.8 fouls, 3.8 TOs , 28.4 PPG
-playoff advanced: 0.8 DWS, 2.1 WS, .172 WS/48, 1.5 DBPM
-beat Minnesota 4-1, beat Utah 4-1, tied with GSW 3-3
Anthony Davis
-39.8 MPG, 52.0 FG%, 27.3 3PT%, 82.8 FT%, 13.4 RPG, 1.7 APG, 2.3 blocks, 2.0 steals, 3.3 fouls, 2.6 TOs, 30.1 PPG
-playoff advanced: 0.7 DWS, 1.4 WS, .184 WS/48, 2.8 DBPM
-beat Portland 4-0, lost to GSW 1-4
LeBron James
-40.9 MPG, 54.5 FG%, 34.1 3PT%, 72.6 FT%, 8.9 RPG, 8.8 APG, 1 block, 1.5 steals, 2.2 fouls, 3.9 TOs, 33.9 PPG
-playoff advanced: 0.9 DWS, 4.3 WS, .296 WS/48, 4.0 DBPM
-beat Indiana 4-3, beat Toronto 4-0, tied with Boston 3-3
Objectively, the biggest thing Harden has working for him is the 65 wins during the regular season. LeBron with the cast he's had, has an equally is not more of a case for the MVP. If you count the playoffs and what LBJ has done, I think LeBron is the MVP hands down. What say the board?
2017-18 Regular Season:
James Harden
-35.4 MPG, 44.9 FG%, 36.7 3PT%, 85.8 FT%, 5.4 RPG, 8.8 APG, 0.7 blocks, 1.8 steals, 2.3 fouls, 4.4 TOs, 30.4 PPG, 29.87 PER
-advanced: 3.8 DWS, 15.4 WS, .289 WS/48, 1.3 DBPM
-Rockets won 65 regular season games and had the best supporting cast around Harden
Anthony Davis
-36.4 MPG, 53.4 FG%, 34.0 3PT%, 82.8 FT%, 11.1 RPG, 2.3 APG, 2.6 blocks, 1.5 steals, 2.1 fouls, 2.2 TOs, 28.1 PPG, 28.98 PER
-advanced: 4.9 DWS, 13.7 WS, .241 WS/48. 2.3 DBPM
-named to first team all defense and finalist for DPOY
-Pelicans won 48 regular season games and had the second best supporting cast amongst these 3
LeBron James
-36.9 MPG, 54.2 FG%, 36.7 3PT%, 73.1 FT%, 8.6 RPG, 9.1 APG, 0.9 blocks, 1.4 steals, 1.7 fouls, 4.2 TOs, 27.5 PPG, 28.65 PER
-advanced: 3.0 DWS, 14.0 WS, .221 WS/48, 2.0 DBPM
-Cavs won 50 regular season games and had the worst supporting around LeBron
2017-18 Post-Season
James Harden
-36.1 MPG, 41.0 FG%, 31.1 3PT%, 89.6 FT%, 5.2 RPG, 6.9 APG, 0.6 blocks, 2.1 steals, 2.8 fouls, 3.8 TOs , 28.4 PPG
-playoff advanced: 0.8 DWS, 2.1 WS, .172 WS/48, 1.5 DBPM
-beat Minnesota 4-1, beat Utah 4-1, tied with GSW 3-3
Anthony Davis
-39.8 MPG, 52.0 FG%, 27.3 3PT%, 82.8 FT%, 13.4 RPG, 1.7 APG, 2.3 blocks, 2.0 steals, 3.3 fouls, 2.6 TOs, 30.1 PPG
-playoff advanced: 0.7 DWS, 1.4 WS, .184 WS/48, 2.8 DBPM
-beat Portland 4-0, lost to GSW 1-4
LeBron James
-40.9 MPG, 54.5 FG%, 34.1 3PT%, 72.6 FT%, 8.9 RPG, 8.8 APG, 1 block, 1.5 steals, 2.2 fouls, 3.9 TOs, 33.9 PPG
-playoff advanced: 0.9 DWS, 4.3 WS, .296 WS/48, 4.0 DBPM
-beat Indiana 4-3, beat Toronto 4-0, tied with Boston 3-3
Objectively, the biggest thing Harden has working for him is the 65 wins during the regular season. LeBron with the cast he's had, has an equally is not more of a case for the MVP. If you count the playoffs and what LBJ has done, I think LeBron is the MVP hands down. What say the board?
This post was edited on 5/27/18 at 1:05 pm
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Posted on 5/27/18 at 12:08 pm to DeionDeion
quote:
If you count the playoffs
Well you don't, so discount that
Posted on 5/27/18 at 12:10 pm to DeionDeion
They vote before the playoffs start.
Posted on 5/27/18 at 12:10 pm to Buckeye06
Everybody gotta get their Harden shots off
Posted on 5/27/18 at 12:12 pm to DeionDeion
I concur. LeBron no doubt
Posted on 5/27/18 at 12:14 pm to TotesMcGotes
quote:
They vote before the playoffs start.
obviously. just seeing if playoffs performances change your mind
This post was edited on 5/27/18 at 12:45 pm
Posted on 5/27/18 at 12:18 pm to DeionDeion
I mean, yea, of course. I’d have voted Harden, LeBron, AD at season’s end.
Posted on 5/27/18 at 12:25 pm to DeionDeion
quote:regular season has been done for a while.
at this point
And Harden led the league in PER on the beat team.
It's really not that hard
Posted on 5/27/18 at 12:59 pm to castorinho
this isnt a thread about who will win the MVP. because under the current format, it's hard to vote against Harden
but I'm asking about perception at this point. It seems that Harden hasn't carried his team in the playoffs as much as LeBron has. And neither LeBron nor Harden have the defensive prowess of AD. During the regular season, the 3 MVP finalists have almost an identical PER. So I'm curious if either LeBron or AD have closed the gap in anyone's eyes or even surpassed Harden
but I'm asking about perception at this point. It seems that Harden hasn't carried his team in the playoffs as much as LeBron has. And neither LeBron nor Harden have the defensive prowess of AD. During the regular season, the 3 MVP finalists have almost an identical PER. So I'm curious if either LeBron or AD have closed the gap in anyone's eyes or even surpassed Harden
This post was edited on 5/27/18 at 1:00 pm
Posted on 5/27/18 at 1:06 pm to DeionDeion
Based off of stats, team victory, and all that regular season stuff... It's easily harden.
Playoffs though? It's Lebron. It's always Lebron, that's because he really does take it up a notch.
Playoffs though? It's Lebron. It's always Lebron, that's because he really does take it up a notch.
Posted on 5/27/18 at 1:15 pm to DeionDeion
This isn't AD's year for MVP. He should finish 3rd in voting, which im fine with. He should win DPOY though, but thats another thread.
Im still torn on who should win. I feel like Lebron should win, just to celebrate his greatness and Im not sure we will see another season at his peak like this year. But at the same time regular season harden was lights out. Houston offense was all-time good. Not to mention Harden has finished runner up in MVP for like 3 straight years.
Im still torn on who should win. I feel like Lebron should win, just to celebrate his greatness and Im not sure we will see another season at his peak like this year. But at the same time regular season harden was lights out. Houston offense was all-time good. Not to mention Harden has finished runner up in MVP for like 3 straight years.
Posted on 5/27/18 at 1:33 pm to DeionDeion
You took a lot of time for nothing
Posted on 5/27/18 at 1:34 pm to QJenk
I agree AD is that obvious bronze metalist here. But him being a finalist for DPOY definitely gives him a leg up on catching the other 2.
I admit that deciding between LeBron and Harden is difficult. The stats are very similar, Harden has the overall regular season wins, but LeBron has done much more with less. It's worth discussing because I don't think its as cut-and-dry as the talking heads make it seem
I admit that deciding between LeBron and Harden is difficult. The stats are very similar, Harden has the overall regular season wins, but LeBron has done much more with less. It's worth discussing because I don't think its as cut-and-dry as the talking heads make it seem
Posted on 5/27/18 at 2:02 pm to castorinho
quote:
It's really not that hard
Speak for yourself
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