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re: All you NIL worryers....
Posted on 7/2/21 at 2:18 pm to Rtowntiger
Posted on 7/2/21 at 2:18 pm to Rtowntiger
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No you can't. (see the law)
I read the law, see definition.
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(3) "Intercollegiate athlete "means a student enrolled in a post secondary education institution who participates in an athletic program.
A high school player is not covered.
The law only covers enrolled college students. And it only covers schools in Louisiana that get state funds.
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(4) "Post secondary education institution" means a Louisiana public post secondary education institution or nonpublic post secondary institution that15receives or disburses any form of state student financial assistance, including scholarships and grants.
Also, I would not be covered because I'm not a booster.
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(1) "Athletic booster "means a person or entity that has participated in7or has been a member of an organization promoting a post secondary education8institution's athletic program.
The law actually says the school shouldn't work with the boosters, not that a booster couldn't do those things. Which I'm not a booster anyhow.
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D. A post secondary education institution shall not use an athletic booster to, nor shall an athletic booster, directly or indirectly, create or facilitate12compensation opportunities for the use of an intercollegiate athlete's name,13image, or likeness as a recruiting inducement or as a means of paying for athletics participation.
So, please in particular tell me again how or why I can't pay a player to attend LSU or not attend LSU even if I was in the State.
The Louisiana law is basically restrictions on the schools that receive aid, not the rest of the world. There isn't anything in the law that I can see that precludes me from paying a player to attend LSU or another school.
This post was edited on 7/2/21 at 2:37 pm
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Posted on 7/2/21 at 2:35 pm to GeauxFightingTigers1
To preserve the integrity, quality, character, and amateur nature of intercollegiate athletics and to maintain a clear separation between amateur intercollegiate athletics and professional sports, a postsecondary education institution, an entity whose purpose includes supporting or benefitting such institution or its intercollegiate athletic programs, or an officer, director,employee, or agent of such institution or entity shall not provide a current or
prospective athlete with compensation for the use of the student athlete's name,image, or likeness.
A high school player would be considered a prospective athlete and you would be considered an entity supporting and benefiting an institution. That was a convenient omission on your part though.
Posted on 7/2/21 at 2:38 pm to Rtowntiger
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To preserve the integrity, quality, character, and amateur nature of intercollegiate athletics and to maintain a clear separation between amateur intercollegiate athletics and professional sports, a postsecondary education institution, an entity whose purpose includes supporting or benefitting such institution or its intercollegiate athletic programs, or an officer, director,employee, or agent of such institution or entity shall not provide a current or
prospective athlete with compensation for the use of the student athlete's name,image, or likeness.
A high school player would be considered a prospective athlete and you would be considered an entity supporting and benefiting an institution. That was a convenient omission on your part though.
The definition is provided in the law, but even if it did cover high school player... there is no restrictions in the law as to what I can pay. The restrictions are on the school. I'm not a "post secondary education institution".
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(3) "Intercollegiate athlete" means a student enrolled in a post secondary education institution who participates in an athletic program.
There is no one single thing that restricts me from paying a player to attend or not attend a school, unless I'm a Louisiana school that gets state aid or an employee of that school.
Do you have a reading disability?
The restrictions are on what the school can do, and there are no penalties under law if the school doesn't conform.
This post was edited on 7/2/21 at 2:44 pm
Posted on 7/2/21 at 2:43 pm to GeauxFightingTigers1
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There is a reason why the pro sports have an anti-trust exemption... there really isn't a good business model to support it without the exemption.
Only MLB has an anti-trust exemption. The NFL, NBA, and NHL have no exemption and have survived.
Posted on 7/2/21 at 2:47 pm to wrlakers
Imagine Johnny Football getting turned loose on big business? Distraction's galore.
Posted on 7/2/21 at 2:49 pm to Choupique19
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Walkons doesn’t care if Derek Stingley brings them more customers, they already have plenty.
Then why market through him? Why pick Stingley?
Posted on 7/2/21 at 4:34 pm to chalmetteowl
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Then why market through him? Why pick Stingley?
He’s a star player at LSU, it’s certainly not bad publicity. But their contract is not going to net Walk Ons a big profit.
But they get to help the LSU program out by making the deal with Stingley.
Posted on 7/2/21 at 4:35 pm to wrlakers
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Only MLB has an anti-trust exemption. The NFL, NBA, and NHL have no exemption and have survived.
Yes and no, MLB has more a full exemption to anti-trust, however, that could be changed by Congress. NFL/NBA/etc. live under an limited exemption to anti-trust, which again could be changed by Congress. Of course, to get that exemption involves organized labor i.e. union. There also some other limited exemptions Congress has carved out for the NFL, iirc like TV rights.
https://www.post-gazette.com/business/legal/2011/02/14/Antitrust-law-looms-over-sports-contracts-analysis/stories/201102140219
Posted on 7/2/21 at 4:43 pm to Rtowntiger
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Yes, 10-20 athletes get paid under the rug to go to a school.
That number is way, way higher.
Posted on 7/2/21 at 4:48 pm to Choupique19
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But they get to help the LSU program out by making the deal with Stingley.
The following hypothetical could happen anywhere with any school, so I'm just using LSU as an example.
Ed Orgeron gets on the phone with the owner/CEO of Walk Ons (never been, not sure how their ownership structure works). Orgeron asks the decision maker at Walk Ons to pay Stingley way more money than he is probably really worth to Walk Ons to make a few appearances and sign some autographs. In exchange, LSU has a silent agreement to give Walk Ons the right of first refusal to cater any event on campus in which the school has to hire caterers.
LSU is indirectly paying Stingley to stay in school instead of declare for the draft.
Anyone who doesn't think shite like this will happen frequently is naive. It legitimately took me about 30 seconds to think of this scenario. Of course, I investigate financial crimes for a living
.This post was edited on 7/2/21 at 4:55 pm
Posted on 7/2/21 at 4:54 pm to VADawg
UW QB Graham Mertz was ready. Already has released his clothing line.
Posted on 7/2/21 at 4:55 pm to VADawg
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The following hypothetical could happen anywhere with any school, so I'm just using LSU as an example. Ed Orgeron gets on the phone with the owner/CEO of Walk Ons (never been, not sure how their ownership structure works). Orgeron asks the decision maker at Walk Ons to pay Stingley way more money than he is probably really worth to Walk Ons to make a few appearances and sign some autographs. In exchange, LSU has a silent agreement to give Walk Ons the right of first refusal to cater any event on campus in which the school has to hire caterers. LSU is indirectly paying Stingley to stay in school instead of declare for the draft. Anyone who doesn't think shite like this will happen frequently is naive.
Basically there are no rules.
- I tell Ed that I will pay player X, I will pay for tuition, room and board, food, car, and cash.
- Ed signs player as a walk-on
- player doesn't even get counted for the 85 or 25
- sign a contract with player with the terms
The NCAA can't do anything about it, the school could have a rule... by why?
I would sign the player to play, not for his image.
The law only really restricts the school, and gives the school the ability to impose some rules on the player... but really why would they want to?
This post was edited on 7/2/21 at 5:01 pm
Posted on 7/2/21 at 5:04 pm to VADawg
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Anyone who doesn't think shite like this will happen frequently is naive. It legitimately took me about 30 seconds to think of this scenario
Earlier in this thread it was said “but there are rules against _____” As if for the last 50 years college boosters haven’t found ways to skirt the rules.
There are very few rules involved in the NIL right now, and whatever rules there are, football programs/boosters are already set to work around them in the shadows.
This post was edited on 7/2/21 at 5:04 pm
Posted on 7/2/21 at 5:09 pm to Choupique19
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Earlier in this thread it was said “but there are rules against _____” As if for the last 50 years college boosters haven’t found ways to skirt the rules. There are very few rules involved in the NIL right now, and whatever rules there are, football programs/boosters are already set to work around them in the shadows.
I would say the only rules there might be are the ones the schools put in place and they are willing to enforce.
But..why would they?
Posted on 7/2/21 at 5:23 pm to GeauxFightingTigers1
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- I tell Ed that I will pay player X, I will pay for tuition, room and board, food, car, and cash.
- Ed signs player as a walk-on
- player doesn't even get counted for the 85 or 25
- sign a contract with player with the terms
There are two things in this scenario that I do think would raise red flags.
1. 4/5 star recruits being walk ons would draw a lot of unwanted attention. I get your argument but this one would be a tough sell. It is a very interesting thought though and it would be hard to actually prove the collusion.
2. Your scenario would cost local businesses a hell of a lot more money than mine would. You would need bigger companies to get involved and I'm not sure they would care as much as local small businesses would, especially in college towns.
Posted on 7/2/21 at 5:28 pm to VADawg
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1. 4/5 star recruits being walk ons would draw a lot of unwanted attention. I get your argument but this one would be a tough sell. It is a very interesting thought though and it would be hard to actually prove the collusion.
Legally under the La. law this would be permitted, there is no red flag even if people knew.
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Your scenario would cost local businesses a hell of a lot more money than mine would. You would need bigger companies to get involved and I'm not sure they would care as much as local small businesses would, especially in college towns.
Oh, I'm not saying who would pay the bill.
The law is mostly geared towards what the school can and can't do, not third parties.
If X person wants to pay 25 players to sign for X school on signing day in Louisiana, there really isn't anything stopping this... although the school (employees) could be limited with their involvement.
We're at pay for play.
This post was edited on 7/2/21 at 5:29 pm
Posted on 7/2/21 at 5:37 pm to GeauxFightingTigers1
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We're at pay for play.
I don't disagree with this at all. We're saying the same thing, just using different scenarios on how to get there.
This post was edited on 7/2/21 at 5:38 pm
Posted on 7/2/21 at 5:42 pm to VADawg
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I don't disagree with this at all. We're saying the same thing, just using different scenarios on how to get there.
We're good. :) Should be fun to watch all this.
Posted on 7/2/21 at 5:46 pm to VADawg
Sports, she be a-changin'. Floyd Mayweather found a way to put 100s of millions of dollars in his pocket instead of getting 10s of millions and watching fat cats like Bob Arum pocket all the rest.
What's cool here is that nothing is coming out of the University's pockets. They get as rich and sassy as always with their big TV contracts and gate receipts.
Big business is picking up the entire tab and they are thrilled with the opportunity to make these kids rich.
Ain't capitalism great? Common, admit it.
What's cool here is that nothing is coming out of the University's pockets. They get as rich and sassy as always with their big TV contracts and gate receipts.
Big business is picking up the entire tab and they are thrilled with the opportunity to make these kids rich.
Ain't capitalism great? Common, admit it.
Posted on 7/2/21 at 5:47 pm to tigerMike
This will 100% be a big deal for the Joe Burrows of the world and others who have crafted a niche through content creation. I also think there’s a lot of college athletes overvaluing their influence right now. It’s new and fresh, so everybody is trying to get theirs. In 2-3 years, everyone will be sick of middle tier golfers and volleyball players shoving advertisements for a local sandwich shop down your throat. The ROI won’t be there.
This post was edited on 7/2/21 at 5:48 pm
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