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re: 1995 Nebraska vs. 2011 Alabama
Posted on 7/20/22 at 12:38 pm to moontigr
Posted on 7/20/22 at 12:38 pm to moontigr
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You continue to bring up that Oklahoma and Miami were out of the picture... regardless, Colorado and Kansas State were both very good programs at that point, as was Florida.
Colorado and Kansas State were not even close to the Miami and Oklahoma (and FSU) teams that made life miserable for Osborne in the ‘80s and ‘90s.
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They had already proven that they could beat Miami the previous season, which had an excellent defense.
They won by seven points. Miami made them work their arse off for that national title in ways no team they played in 1995 was capable of doing.
Am I wrong on that?
I grew up watching these Nebraska teams. I know all about them. And I’m arguing that the difference in domination between 1995 and the 1971, 1983, 1987, 1993, 1994, 1996, 1997 and 2001 teams is at least partially due to a more favorable schedule and bowl opponent.
As I have mentioned, no longer having to deal with wishbone-era Oklahoma was a huge benefit that cannot be understated. 1971-1987 Oklahoma had some of the best teams and players in CFB history, and they beat Nebraska’s arse on the regular. Switzer was in Osborne’s head.
Florida had a great team in 1995, but they were young (almost all the key players returned in 1996), very finesse, and did not have the same exposure to Nebraska’s unique offensive style as previous bowl opponents.
If 1995 Nebraska had faced the same challenges as most of the program’s other teams, would they have still won? Maybe. I’m not necessarily saying they wouldn’t have. They had a great team. But would there be this, “OMG, 1995 Nebraska beat the frick out of everyone like they were a bunch of bitches and no one is even close to them”?
I tend to doubt that.
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Posted on 7/20/22 at 1:47 pm to Globetrotter747
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If 1995 Nebraska had faced the same challenges as most of the program’s other teams, would they have still won? Maybe. I’m not necessarily saying they wouldn’t have. They had a great team. But would there be this, “OMG, 1995 Nebraska beat the frick out of everyone like they were a bunch of bitches and no one is even close to them”?
i mean the same could be said of any team in any era.
2019 was not one of Saban's better defenses at Alabama.
2019 Florida sure as shite wasn't 2006-2008 Urban Meyer Florida either (if you can go back to previous decade, so can I).
And we only had to play 5 loss Texas instead of their more dominant teams from the Mack Brown era.
everyone of the excuses I just listed are incredibly stupid reasons to knock down 2019 LSU.
just like using Switzer era OU is dumb excuse for Nebraska in '95.
what happened from 1890-1994 and from 1996-2021 seasons is completely irrelevant when discussing 1995 Nebraska.
Just like 1894-2018 and 2020-2021 are completely irrelevant when discussing 2019 LSU.
Posted on 7/20/22 at 3:47 pm to Nutriaitch
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i mean the same could be said of any team in any era.
Not really.
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2019 was not one of Saban's better defenses at Alabama.
2019 Alabama was a hell of a lot better than anyone on 1995 Nebraska’s schedule, and Bryant-Denny is a hell of a lot tougher place to play than whatever stadium Kansas and Kansas State play in.
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2019 Florida sure as shite wasn't 2006-2008 Urban Meyer Florida either (if you can go back to previous decade, so can I).
Would you rather play an 11-2 Florida team or any Kansas team in history?
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what happened from 1890-1994 and from 1996-2021 seasons is completely irrelevant when discussing 1995 Nebraska.
Back in January Rafael Nadal won the Australian Open. It just so happened that Novak Djokovic, who has dominated the AO, wasn’t there due to a vaccination issue.
Is it fair to say that maybe Nadal won the AO not so much because he was playing any better than before but because the path was made easier due to Djokovic being out of the picture?
I think it is. Similarly, the Big 8 was easier for ‘95 Nebraska without Switzer around and the national championship was easier without having to play peak FSU or Miami in the old Orange Bowl stadium.
Posted on 7/20/22 at 4:29 pm to Globetrotter747
you're misunderstanding what I'm saying.
was 1987 Oklahoma better than anyone on 1995 Nebraska's schedule? sure
just like 2011 Alabama was better than anyone on LSU's 2019 schedule.
but I'm not going to drag down LSU's 2019 season because they didn't play against 2011 Alabama.
was 1987 Oklahoma better than anyone on 1995 Nebraska's schedule? sure
just like 2011 Alabama was better than anyone on LSU's 2019 schedule.
but I'm not going to drag down LSU's 2019 season because they didn't play against 2011 Alabama.
Posted on 7/20/22 at 4:41 pm to Globetrotter747
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Colorado and Kansas State were not even close to the Miami and Oklahoma (and FSU) teams that made life miserable for Osborne in the ‘80s and ‘90s.
And Nebraska in 95 was nowhere near what those 80s/early 90s teams that got bullied around were. By the mid-90s, the Huskers were doing the bullying.
Posted on 7/20/22 at 4:43 pm to Globetrotter747
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Just curious, who do you think is the GOAT NFL team?
Are you going to answer my question? I love how every person I've asked has dodged it.
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Similarly, the Big 8 was easier for ‘95 Nebraska without Switzer around and the national championship was easier without having to play peak FSU or Miami in the old Orange Bowl stadium.
I don't think anybody is denying that. It still doesn't deter people from recognizing Nebraska 95 as the greatest. Of all the great OU/FSU/Miami teams over the years, if you put any of them against the 95 Huskers, Nebraska wins. It's that simple.
This post was edited on 7/20/22 at 4:47 pm
Posted on 7/20/22 at 5:08 pm to Globetrotter747
The 95 huskies team would have went to the orange bowl and did the same thing to FSU or Miami that they did to Florida.
Posted on 7/20/22 at 6:46 pm to moontigr
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And Nebraska in 95 was nowhere near what those 80s/early 90s teams that got bullied around were.
Yes, they were.
The early Huskers had Turner Gill, Mike Rozier, Roger Craig, and Irving Fryar. That’s more offensive skill than mid ‘90s Nebraska. Dean Steinkuhler and Dave Rimington in the offensive line. Both arguably better than anyone for the mid ‘90s Nebraska.
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Are you going to answer my question? I love how every person I've asked has dodged it.
‘89 49ers.
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Of all the great OU/FSU/Miami teams over the years, if you put any of them against the 95 Huskers, Nebraska wins. It's that simple.
I wouldn’t.
A team like ‘01 Miami would be a nightmare matchup for ‘95 Nebraska’s offensive style. ‘01 Miami is not my pick for the GOAT, but style wise, they would be difficult for Nebraska.
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The 95 huskies team would have went to the orange bowl and did the same thing to FSU or Miami that they did to Florida.
1995 3-8 Washington State. The only team in the history of CFB that could hang in there were with ‘95 Huskers.
This post was edited on 7/20/22 at 6:49 pm
Posted on 7/20/22 at 7:07 pm to Globetrotter747
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1995 3-8 Washington State. The only team in the history of CFB that could hang in there were with ‘95 Huskers.
Nebraska beat themselves more than Wazzu did. Nebraska gave up 3 fumbles and twice had to settle for field goals inside the 10-yard line. Nebraska outrushed them 428-72 (despite giving up an 87-yard run on the first drive), and while they didn't go 4 or 5 deep on the depth chart, they did let the 2nds and 3rds play quite a bit in the 2nd half when they had a 20+ point lead. They also let time run out on WSU's 1 yard line in the final minutes, so they easily could have punched in another TD. It was the closest game of the year, but it wasn't as close as the final score indicated.
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‘89 49ers.
You just contradicted yourself. How could a team from 1989 possibly match up with modern-day teams? The players are bigger, stronger, faster, better; the schemes are more elaborate and advanced than anything the 49ers encountered back then.
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Yes, they were
I watched the 83 "scoring explosion" team -- that's actually the year I became a Husker fan -- and they weren't as good as the 95 team. Nobody was.
This post was edited on 7/20/22 at 7:10 pm
Posted on 7/20/22 at 7:26 pm to moontigr
That guy is obsessed with knocking 95 Nebraska. I swear it's like the bat signal going up on here. 
Posted on 7/20/22 at 7:46 pm to Globetrotter747
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1995 3-8 Washington State. The only team in the history of CFB that could hang in there were with ‘95 Huskers.
score at half of that game was identical to 2019 LSU vs Northwestern State
I guess 2019 Auburn must be about the 2nd or 3rd best team in college history to only lose by 3 to LSU that year.
Posted on 7/20/22 at 7:48 pm to MetroAtlantaGatorFan
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That guy is obsessed with knocking 95 Nebraska. I swear it's like the bat signal going up on here.
I keep waiting for him to say that undefeated Tulane team from 98(?) would beat them too.
Posted on 7/21/22 at 7:27 am to moontigr
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Nebraska beat themselves more than Wazzu did. Nebraska gave up 3 fumbles and twice had to settle for field goals inside the 10-yard line.
Good thing they saved their worst game for a shitty opponent. Certainly plenty of those on the schedule that year, though.
You go somewhere like Bryant-Denny and start fricking up, you don’t win those games.
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You just contradicted yourself. How could a team from 1989 possibly match up with modern-day teams? The players are bigger, stronger, faster, better; the schemes are more elaborate and advanced than anything the 49ers encountered back then.
No, I haven’t.
My criticisms of 1995 Nebraska concern their domination of a very favorable schedule.
I personally think ‘71 Nebraska is at least Top 5 in the GOAT discussion, and they would get annihilated by modern teams. But they dominated their schedule even more than the ‘95 team except for the Game of the Century against an awesome Oklahoma team with rushing records that will never be broken.
The Big 8 sure got easier for Nebraska after Oklahoma’s wishbone days.
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I watched the 83 "scoring explosion" team -- that's actually the year I became a Husker fan -- and they weren't as good as the 95 team. Nobody was.
They were comparable.
In 1982, they lost to an undefeated Penn State team on the road that would win the national championship. Did 1995 Nebraska play anyone that good in the regular season? Nope.
The 1983 team just flat out blew it, which was often Osborne’s forte.
Posted on 7/21/22 at 7:44 am to moontigr
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Are you going to answer my question? I love how every person I've asked has dodged it.
My apologies, I don’t scour through this board.
I’m not seeing the relevance in your question, and it should be noted that I’m a casual NFL fan.
However, to answer your question, I’d say the 2019 Kansas City Chiefs. No team, including the 70’s Steel Curtain, is stopping Mahomes, at Tyreek Hill, Kelce, etc.
Posted on 7/21/22 at 8:43 am to Globetrotter747
The offenses may have been comparable, but the defenses on those 80s teams did not have the speed or ferocity of the mid-90s teams.
In cases such as this, data and statistics come into play, which is why I again point out Sagarin. It compares a multitude of common data points (including strength of schedule and other criteria you mentioned). Nebraska 95 is far and away the best, regardless of your criticisms.
At this point we’re beating a dead horse. I’m done here.
In cases such as this, data and statistics come into play, which is why I again point out Sagarin. It compares a multitude of common data points (including strength of schedule and other criteria you mentioned). Nebraska 95 is far and away the best, regardless of your criticisms.
At this point we’re beating a dead horse. I’m done here.
This post was edited on 7/21/22 at 8:47 am
Posted on 7/21/22 at 9:17 am to moontigr
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In cases such as this, data and statistics come into play, which is why I again point out Sagarin
I use my own judgment.
Winning three more games, also being undefeated, beating much better teams, winning the Heisman and a bunch of other awards, and having players starring in the NFL trumps beating Kansas 50-0 for the 28th consecutive time (literally) and then playing a flag football defense in the bowl game.
This post was edited on 7/21/22 at 9:20 am
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