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re: 100 Greatest NFL QBs of all-time according to Football Perspective
Posted on 7/21/18 at 3:51 pm to Indfanfromcol
Posted on 7/21/18 at 3:51 pm to Indfanfromcol
quote:Yes he has
Brees has never been the best QB during his time e
Brees had a few seasons where he was the best qb in the nfl
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Posted on 7/21/18 at 4:22 pm to Bench McElroy
For the majority of Peyton's career, he was always top 2 best in the league.
Posted on 7/21/18 at 4:38 pm to Mr. Elvert
As far as talent is concerned, Troy is as great as any QB who’s ever played very accurate but productivity and accolades perspective he’s no Peyton, TB12, Montana, etc great pure passer
Posted on 7/21/18 at 4:41 pm to Bench McElroy
Roger Staubach is a top 10 QB of all-time this isn’t arguable this isn’t up for debate he’s a better QB than Brett Favre no fricking doubt
Posted on 7/21/18 at 4:43 pm to Bench McElroy
Brett Favre not #1.
No Bobby Hebert.
This list is useless.
Joe Montana ruined my childhood so at least he didn't make the Top 5.
No Bobby Hebert.
This list is useless.
Joe Montana ruined my childhood so at least he didn't make the Top 5.
Posted on 7/21/18 at 4:45 pm to Bench McElroy
This ninja is trying to tell me that Rodgers isn't even top 15? 
Posted on 7/21/18 at 11:59 pm to ThePTExperience1969
Staubach had a year in the 70s where he was statistically so much better than his peers it's never been matched.
While all the great QBs today have tons of guys behind them them with similar yards and QB rating, Staubach blew away his competition. Just blew it away. His QB rating one year was more than 40 points higher than than the next guy.
It's not about how you fare against the old guys, rules and the game change. It's how you fare against your peers and nobody out-distanced their peers like Staubach for a few seasons and Montana for a career.
While all the great QBs today have tons of guys behind them them with similar yards and QB rating, Staubach blew away his competition. Just blew it away. His QB rating one year was more than 40 points higher than than the next guy.
It's not about how you fare against the old guys, rules and the game change. It's how you fare against your peers and nobody out-distanced their peers like Staubach for a few seasons and Montana for a career.
This post was edited on 7/22/18 at 12:01 am
Posted on 7/22/18 at 12:54 am to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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rules and the game change. It's how you fare against your peers and nobody out-distanced their peers like Staubach for a few seasons and Montana for a career.
Nailed it! I couldn't agree more.
Posted on 7/22/18 at 1:15 am to OU812
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How well would a 5'11" and immobile Drew Breed would have done against the Steelers, Cowboys, and Vikings defenses of the 70s? He would have been killed,
Immobile? He is one of the best pocket presence QBs I've ever seen. He would have picked apart old school defenses.
Posted on 7/22/18 at 3:43 am to Bench McElroy
Good Bert Jones made top 50, I’d rank him top 10 at the very least dude’s one of the most talented QBs ever to play this game and his performance reflected that his 1976 MVP season arguably the greatest passing season of all-time
This post was edited on 7/22/18 at 3:47 am
Posted on 7/22/18 at 4:48 am to VADawg
The 6 INT game I believe against the Rams, that laughably awful INT to Brian Dawkins that looked like a punt, etc
Posted on 7/22/18 at 6:03 am to ThePTExperience1969
quote:
1976 MVP season arguably the greatest passing season of all-time
Just ONE season.. And I love Bert Jones........
Posted on 7/22/18 at 4:24 pm to NawlinsTiger9
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He would have picked apart old school defenses.
The defensive control by the NFL rules have changed Drastically.
Guys like Ronnie Lott, Mike Singletary and Lawrence Taylor used to make offensive players fear getting the ball.
Defense was played rough back then, it's a patty cake show of "don't dare touch the receiver" now. Guys like Elway, Montana & Marino would be unstoppable under todays soft defensive rules.
Posted on 7/22/18 at 5:41 pm to umop_apisdn
BTW, I'm not insinuating that Brees, Payton and Brady couldn't also do well back then, but they've only played in the softer defensive era.
QB's like Montana, Starbauch, Bradshaw, Marino & Elways excelled during a Much harsher defensive time, playing under todays defensive rules would be their dream come true.
Defensive players back then used to relish in injuring the offense.
QB's like Montana, Starbauch, Bradshaw, Marino & Elways excelled during a Much harsher defensive time, playing under todays defensive rules would be their dream come true.
Defensive players back then used to relish in injuring the offense.
Posted on 7/22/18 at 5:45 pm to dukke v
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John Elway is WAY to low... As is Staubach............ BOTH were better than Tark.... way better..............
Elway and Staubach are probably two of the most talented QBs to ever play the sport, Tarkenton was basically a scrambling Drew Brees playing against 60s/70s NFL defenses and within the context of the old rules both he and Staubach were incredibly prolific and efficient. For a majority of his career before TD, Elway was not a very efficient QB: he overthrew receivers, he threw soulcrushing INTs at the most inopportune times, he threw INTs when his targeted receiver was effectively covered. I'll give him the overall benefit of the doubt because that pre-TD offense was not the most talented offense and his incredible talent as a complete QB and leader but you make enough mistakes in a game, you suffer the consequences thats how sports works generally.
Posted on 7/22/18 at 5:47 pm to umop_apisdn
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QB's like Montana, Starbauch, Bradshaw, Marino & Elways excelled during a Much harsher defensive time, playing under todays defensive rules would be their dream come true.
Which is what makes the incredibly prolific seasons Montana and Marino enjoyed that much more impressive, they were just schooling fools particularly Marino in 1984 that was a transcendent QB season compared to what had been achieved prior the first realization of those 1978 rules changes.
Posted on 7/22/18 at 6:05 pm to ThePTExperience1969
Great quick little highlight of Montana vs Elway, Marino & Steve Young all facing off in big games. All were great QB's but Montana brought magic to the position.
Cool, calm and collected wins riches, it seems.
LINK
Cool, calm and collected wins riches, it seems.
LINK
This post was edited on 7/22/18 at 6:16 pm
Posted on 7/22/18 at 6:37 pm to umop_apisdn
quote:
Great quick little highlight of Montana vs Elway, Marino & Steve Young all facing off in big games. All were great QB's but Montana brought magic to the position.
Cool, calm and collected wins riches, it seems.
Joe Montana's entire rep is basically that he made an incredibly leadership-based, intellectually challenging position look easy when he performed on Sundays and how efficient he could be with that WC Offense against the physicality and overwhelming violence of the defenses that represented that era was something I don't think many people had seen in a while since Unitas...or you know Bert Jones haha that 1989 season was basically a clinic in QB perfection and he topped that in the playoffs and Super Bowl its a contender for the greatest QB season of all-time fasho
Posted on 7/22/18 at 6:40 pm to umop_apisdn
1989 game against that Philly defense in Veterans is probably Joe's defining game in ways: beaten up the entire game, veteran QB at this point against ostensibly the 49ers NFC successors then completely dominates the 4th quarter to win on the road, WOW
Posted on 7/22/18 at 6:46 pm to ThePTExperience1969
I agree 100%! but at the same time can admit I enjoy watching Brees, & Brady play as well.
Different times, different stats.
We got to see all of the magic so far, and that's a Huge win. The game will never be as 'Gladiator like' as it once was.
The days of having a 'hitman' on defense is over, no more spearing, leading with the head, low cut tackles etc etc
Players in the 70s had hit men on defense, headhunters out to remove a player from a game, in the 80s the defense was filled with players who relished in injuring the offense into being afraid to get the ball.
Now players can't touch pinky rings once the ball is snapped.
Different times, different stats.
We got to see all of the magic so far, and that's a Huge win. The game will never be as 'Gladiator like' as it once was.
The days of having a 'hitman' on defense is over, no more spearing, leading with the head, low cut tackles etc etc
Players in the 70s had hit men on defense, headhunters out to remove a player from a game, in the 80s the defense was filled with players who relished in injuring the offense into being afraid to get the ball.
Now players can't touch pinky rings once the ball is snapped.
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