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re: Vanguard ... what y'all thinkin?

Posted on 12/23/09 at 10:06 am to
Posted by calminvestor
USA
Member since Dec 2009
31 posts
Posted on 12/23/09 at 10:06 am to
My suggestion is to read a book called "The Smartest Investment Book You'll Ever Read" by Daniel R. Solin. Read this before you "do" anything.
You'll be selecting low-cost index funds with the best returns (market returns) that are available in the markets.
Active funds return less and cost more - bad.
Passive funds return more and cost less - good.
Here's the gist of his suggested holdings. Your percentages will vary depending on your risk profile.
Here's the High Risk Profile that he suggests in a Roth IRA, for example:
VTSMX (56%) - expense ratio is .18%/yr
VGTSX (24%) - expense ratio is .34%/yr
VBMFX (20%) - expense ratio is .22%/yr
Rebalance each year to maintain the above percentages. It's that simple.

P.S. Stop watching and reading the "Financial Pornography" - CNBC, Wall Street Journal, etc. - go play with your kids instead as you'll be happier and less stressed about money...
Posted by tirebiter
7K R&G chile land aka SF
Member since Oct 2006
10941 posts
Posted on 12/23/09 at 11:10 am to
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To offset the heavy % of muni bonds, I'm going w/ a tadbit in TIPS (not a fund). Inflation / rates go up, the muni bonds will drop in value though the interest payments will continue to flow. TIPS will reduce the sting of this a bit.


Just be aware that if you are buying off the run TIPS via a brokerage account that have accreted inflation adjustments and we encounter deflation you could lose money although you would continue to receive the coupon payments,this is because the bonds would be priced higher than the face amount of the bonds. That is why I suggest new issuances from Treasury Direct or newer issues that would have little inflation accretion, I think they have a TIPS auction coming in Jan or Feb. and you don't have to get to your desired position in one lump move. I own individual and the Vanguard TIPS fund, it was all predicated on what was a good deal at the time and level of funds I had available. Given the choice I would prefer individual bonds matched to a desired maturity date in the future. The Vanguard TIPS fund did not pay a dividend the 2nd and 3rd Q's due to the deflation factor applied to the fund holdings. PIMCO has come out with 3-4 TIPS ETF's as well, they cover short to long term holdings but many fixed income ETF's trade at a premium and are not a good deal.

If you have the desire read W. Bernstein's new investment book, "The Investor's Manifesto", it will help you more fully plan and implement what is best for you and your family. Have a great Christmas.

ETA: Managed funds, yeah, you should send the broker a copy of this:

12b-1 fees, will they ever stop

And there is a good article at morningstar.com regarding fund fees and the massive amount of revenue they are generating for American Funds, etc, the numbers are staggering.

Fund Revenue

Growth Fund of America, over $1B in fee revenue, Pimco PTTRX over $1B in revenue, let me in on this gravy train.
This post was edited on 12/23/09 at 11:27 am
Posted by kfizzle85
Member since Dec 2005
22022 posts
Posted on 12/23/09 at 12:49 pm to
CNBC is def not fin porn. Calculated Risk, NYT (places with tons of graphs) = fin porn.
Posted by calminvestor
USA
Member since Dec 2009
31 posts
Posted on 12/23/09 at 5:36 pm to
kfizzle85 - the talkingheads securities analysts are hired by the mutual fund companies to keep investors trading their butts off so that they make money. If CNBC knows it's foolish to trade and have funds professionally managed due to fees, then why have the sec. analysts on? Because they pay the bills...Yes, it is financialy pornography!! No different than your health magazine that has a new diet program each month - because it sells! Eat smart and exercise - isn't that the only real thing people need to do? MMMHHH...
Posted by Fat Man
Gotta Luv Cov ... ington
Member since Jan 2006
7153 posts
Posted on 12/23/09 at 6:44 pm to
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Financial Pornography" - CNBC, Wall Street Journal


I don't follow any of that; I get my financial info from this Board.

btw, the TIPS I bought were not out of the Vanguard Acct. I'm still sitting on that account earning about 0.001% per annum. If we have a W recovery, I'll catch a fund at that time.
Posted by tirebiter
7K R&G chile land aka SF
Member since Oct 2006
10941 posts
Posted on 12/24/09 at 10:17 am to
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btw, the TIPS I bought were not out of the Vanguard Acct. I'm still sitting on that account earning about 0.001% per annum. If we have a W recovery, I'll catch a fund at that time.


I got tired of that some months back and transferred most of the cash into CapOne interest plus online savings, was paying 1.75% insured. I think I am going to convert the cash portion of some IRA's into Roth, too, but don't feel like giving the Obama gang more tax revenue to piss away.
Posted by Fat Man
Gotta Luv Cov ... ington
Member since Jan 2006
7153 posts
Posted on 12/24/09 at 11:52 am to
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cash into CapOne interest


I have a money market acct w/ them .. started at 2%, but it's drifted down to 1%.

I also did that Gulf States deal for 4.29%, though there is a max amount. You get a debit card you have to use like 20 times or so per month .. Which for Mrs. Fat Man is child's play.
Posted by foshizzle
Washington DC metro
Member since Mar 2008
40599 posts
Posted on 12/27/09 at 2:47 pm to
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Stop watching and reading the "Financial Pornography" - CNBC, Wall Street Journal, etc


My chart would go up if Maria Bartiromo would do just one appearance naked.
Posted by kfizzle85
Member since Dec 2005
22022 posts
Posted on 12/27/09 at 3:13 pm to
For it to be porn, IMO, it would have to be visually stimulating and enjoyable. CNBC is neither of those, CR is both.
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