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re: Trump backs off 145% China Tariffs. Stock market surges after hours
Posted on 4/23/25 at 6:54 am to lsu xman
Posted on 4/23/25 at 6:54 am to lsu xman
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2 big gap ups that will eventually close. Similarly to the gap after Trump won the election.
Both of these gap ups have filled on the way down.
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Posted on 4/23/25 at 6:58 am to omegaman66
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Was this not known before ANY tariffs were imposed? Sad to think that so many in positions of power thought otherwise. Amazing that stating the obvious causes shifts in the market.
We’re trying to rearrange the global economy - the market is going to react in a big way as it very much matters exactly how we plan to execute. Trump's messaging may be helpful for his negotiation style, but it’s not helpful for anyone caught in the crossfire of it, including market participants and businesses.
Posted on 4/23/25 at 7:04 am to JohnnyKilroy
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Who do yall think needs/wants to save face more: Trump or Xi?
Trump, not close. While he doesn’t have to worry about re-election, if things don’t start looking rosier, Democrats are going to take back the House and Senate in the midterms, leaving Trump as an impotent lame duck for the next two years, which I don’t think Trump can handle.
On the other hand, absolutely nothing has seemed capable of touching Xi for over a decade.
Posted on 4/23/25 at 7:19 am to Joshjrn
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Trump, not close
Of course
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Joshjrn
tds
Posted on 4/23/25 at 7:22 am to SDVTiger
Today looks like a great bounce to back off any overleveraged index exposure and sell some covered calls before we trickle back down.
Posted on 4/23/25 at 7:27 am to Joshjrn
I don’t think I’d frame it as Trump needing to save face.
However, obviously the pressure is on Trump for this to work. We have a lot of leverage, but this will be his greatest work or his coup de grâce.
However, obviously the pressure is on Trump for this to work. We have a lot of leverage, but this will be his greatest work or his coup de grâce.
Posted on 4/23/25 at 7:35 am to GoCrazyAuburn
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I mean, duh . I'm shocked people needed this spelled out for them.
I really am amazed at the lack of critical thinking by many people. I’m not a good negotiator, in fact I’m a terrible one. I hate negotiating as I simply hate the back and forth nature of it. Through that lens, even I could see this is all a negotiating tactic, and that in negotiations you never show all your cards at the beginning or middle.
I understand that uncertainty is way worse than actual bad policies set in stone because you can at least plan around the bad policies, but man people simply needed to practice some patience and let the negotiations play out.
Posted on 4/23/25 at 7:38 am to JohnnyKilroy
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Who do yall think needs/wants to save face more: Trump or Xi?
Xi
Posted on 4/23/25 at 7:40 am to jefforize
Gonna be a big day. Recoup 1/3 of all that's been lost in the past month.
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Posted on 4/23/25 at 7:40 am to Oilfieldbiology
Trump is also negotiating against himself right now re: China. Xi can sit back and wait to a degree while continuing conversations with other countries. China's consumers can endure more pain than American consumers.
This post was edited on 4/23/25 at 8:06 am
Posted on 4/23/25 at 8:25 am to JLivermore
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Long term investors are getting way too bogged down with the tariff stuff
Here is the thing, the uncertainty WILL NOT end with the "tariff stuff". Thats not Trump, he is a windmill charger.
The best case scenario for long term investors is that the people handling (best they can) Trump tighten up the leash. I think they have.
The statements about an imminent deal with China and Powell are not organic to Trump, somebody wrote that out and told him to say that, and to his credit he did that.
Posted on 4/23/25 at 8:33 am to ApexHunterNetcode
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China's consumers can endure more pain than American consumers.
Can they though? China is rapidly aging into a populace that has insufficient numbers of people to perform basic work, and is increasingly il-liquid in capital holdings as the majority of retirement aged Chinese have their worth tied up in real estate, and not like land real estate but physical buildings real estate.
I read a report that most don’t even own the entirety of the buildings their wealth is tied into, making it nearly impossible for them to sell it to get cash.
Can the Chinese really hold on longer than the American consumers?
This post was edited on 4/23/25 at 8:35 am
Posted on 4/23/25 at 8:39 am to Oilfieldbiology
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Can the Chinese really hold on longer than the American consumers?
Easily
Posted on 4/23/25 at 8:47 am to ApexHunterNetcode
SPX 5,451.74
+163.98 (3.10%)today
the negotiation tactics
+163.98 (3.10%)today
the negotiation tactics
Posted on 4/23/25 at 9:15 am to Oilfieldbiology
You are discounting how big a population of 1-5 Billion is with your aging comment. And a country used to a dictatorship will outlast a country with a new wannabe dictatorship. Internal forces will make Trump cave first.
Posted on 4/23/25 at 9:16 am to jefforize
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SPX 5,451.74 +163.98 (3.10%)today the negotiation tactics
I’m not sure I follow. Expound?
Posted on 4/23/25 at 9:18 am to tigerfoot
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Like riding a psychotic horse into a flaming stable. Jesus.
Pretty obvious you've never negotiated Jack Crap
Posted on 4/23/25 at 9:33 am to Nole Man
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Gonna be a big day. Recoup 1/3 of all that's been lost in the past month.
If you bought a few weeks back looking pretty good right now especially if you got shares of some good companies.
Posted on 4/23/25 at 9:39 am to slackster
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We’re trying to rearrange the global economy - the market is going to react in a big way as it very much matters exactly how we plan to execute. Trump's messaging may be helpful for his negotiation style, but it’s not helpful for anyone caught in the crossfire of it, including market participants and businesses.
Well the reciprocal tariff should have been a clue for those late to the understanding of what is going on and the intent.
I get market uncertainty with the tariffs, because it isn't 100% certain who will and will not make a deal and exactly what those deals will be. However, everyone should have already known the tariffs are negotiating tool so any market corrections on simply stating that, mean some people didn't already known it.
Posted on 4/23/25 at 9:43 am to FLObserver
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If you bought a few weeks back looking pretty good right now especially if you got shares of some good companies.
I DCA average in my non-retirement account at Fidelity a set amount for certain ETFs I have, so nothing changed there. I did buy quite a bit of NVDA at 97.9, even later it dipped to 95.05, which I didn't do.
There's still plenty of upside on this.
Based on 42 Wall Street analysts offering 12 month price targets for Nvidia in the last 3 months. The average price target is $168.49 with a high forecast of $220.00 and a low forecast of $120.00. The average price target represents a 61.96% change from the last price of $104.03.
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