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Posted on 5/14/10 at 12:33 pm to RedStickBR
Posted on 5/14/10 at 12:33 pm to RedStickBR
I know some of you have been following LPIH. The company has announced a conference call for Monday (5/17) at 1:00pm.
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This post was edited on 5/14/10 at 12:37 pm
Posted on 5/14/10 at 1:09 pm to Dan
I hope Europe turns it around. SORL is getting hammered. SORL is turning out great results with it's business but seems closely tied to how Europe does.
Posted on 5/14/10 at 2:04 pm to donRANDOMnumbers
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what are your thoughts on TNH?
ive watched this stock for a long while but never making a move as it was always a little too rich for my blood.
its a very volatile stock, and right now it is down.
2 companies to compare against it are MOS and CF.
I've done consulting work for all 3 and am familiar with the industry.
The fertilizer industry has been very volatile over the years. At times fertilizer plants are like printing your own money; other times they struggle to survive. It is largely a function of natural gas prices and the capacity of existing plants. From that regard the industry is a good investment now. Maybe 25% of the industry was shut down several years ago when natural gas prices spiked over $10 and very little of that capacity can come back into operation. Meanwhile the price of natural gas has fallen and so the US plants are making very good money. There is no indication that natural gas prices will go much higher because the horizontal drilling technique used in shale deposits has increased the supply of natural gas more than was expected a few years ago and there are shale deposits that are still entirely untapped.
Now TNH itself is interesting. Terra Nitrogen was actually 2 stocks, TNH and TRA. CF Industries bought TRA which is all of the Terra plants other than the Verdigris Oklahoma site. That is probably the reason for the drop in TNH, it is not clear exactly how TNH will be structured as far as upper level management and I could see them inheriting a lot of overhead left over from Terra's headquarters in Sioux City as CF Industries absorbs the other plants. The Verdigris site is a good (efficient) fertilizer complex though and well managed. The stock is paying an excellent dividend and with the recent drop I think it is a good buy. Thanks for the question because I intend to buy some.
One caveat is that fertilizer companies have had a great run in large part because of our stupid ethanol policy. Corn farmers have been buying fertilizer like crazy because corn is so profitable. If our policy on corn changes then fertilizer stocks could suffer.
Posted on 5/14/10 at 2:16 pm to Tigris
quote:
I've done consulting work for all 3 and am familiar with the industry.
The fertilizer industry has been very volatile over the years. At times fertilizer plants are like printing your own money; other times they struggle to survive. It is largely a function of natural gas prices and the capacity of existing plants. From that regard the industry is a good investment now. Maybe 25% of the industry was shut down several years ago when natural gas prices spiked over $10 and very little of that capacity can come back into operation. Meanwhile the price of natural gas has fallen and so the US plants are making very good money. There is no indication that natural gas prices will go much higher because the horizontal drilling technique used in shale deposits has increased the supply of natural gas more than was expected a few years ago and there are shale deposits that are still entirely untapped.
Now TNH itself is interesting. Terra Nitrogen was actually 2 stocks, TNH and TRA. CF Industries bought TRA which is all of the Terra plants other than the Verdigris Oklahoma site. That is probably the reason for the drop in TNH, it is not clear exactly how TNH will be structured as far as upper level management and I could see them inheriting a lot of overhead left over from Terra's headquarters in Sioux City as CF Industries absorbs the other plants. The Verdigris site is a good (efficient) fertilizer complex though and well managed. The stock is paying an excellent dividend and with the recent drop I think it is a good buy. Thanks for the question because I intend to buy some.
One caveat is that fertilizer companies have had a great run in large part because of our stupid ethanol policy. Corn farmers have been buying fertilizer like crazy because corn is so profitable. If our policy on corn changes then fertilizer stocks could suffer.
Thank you for your insight. Good stuff.
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Posted on 5/17/10 at 8:13 am to Dan
quote:
I know some of you have been following LPIH. The company has announced a conference call for Monday (5/17) at 1:00pm.
they had some great news during the night.........
Posted on 5/17/10 at 9:52 am to Tigris
quote:
I've done consulting work for all 3 and am familiar with the industry. The fertilizer industry has been very volatile over the years. At times fertilizer plants are like printing your own money; other times they struggle to survive. It is largely a function of natural gas prices and the capacity of existing plants. From that regard the industry is a good investment now. Maybe 25% of the industry was shut down several years ago when natural gas prices spiked over $10 and very little of that capacity can come back into operation. Meanwhile the price of natural gas has fallen and so the US plants are making very good money. There is no indication that natural gas prices will go much higher because the horizontal drilling technique used in shale deposits has increased the supply of natural gas more than was expected a few years ago and there are shale deposits that are still entirely untapped. Now TNH itself is interesting. Terra Nitrogen was actually 2 stocks, TNH and TRA. CF Industries bought TRA which is all of the Terra plants other than the Verdigris Oklahoma site. That is probably the reason for the drop in TNH, it is not clear exactly how TNH will be structured as far as upper level management and I could see them inheriting a lot of overhead left over from Terra's headquarters in Sioux City as CF Industries absorbs the other plants. The Verdigris site is a good (efficient) fertilizer complex though and well managed. The stock is paying an excellent dividend and with the recent drop I think it is a good buy. Thanks for the question because I intend to buy some. One caveat is that fertilizer companies have had a great run in large part because of our stupid ethanol policy. Corn farmers have been buying fertilizer like crazy because corn is so profitable. If our policy on corn changes then fertilizer stocks could suffer.
with this all in mind, then which is the better buy, TNH or CF?
I have more history with TNH and they carry the better dividend, but CF is the larger company.
Posted on 5/17/10 at 10:35 am to donRANDOMnumbers
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with this all in mind, then which is the better buy, TNH or CF?
I have more history with TNH and they carry the better dividend, but CF is the larger company.
Good question, I wish I knew the answer. CF is cash strapped after buying out TRA but is a much larger company and so is safer. They have similar P/E ratios though I'm not sure the 11.7 P/E for CF really reflects the company as it stands now. TNH has a much better dividend and also could be a ripe takeover target for someone like Agrium or Koch. TNH will also have a potentially higher overhead as they are a single plant site now. I'd say CF is the safer play as they will survive no matter what comes. TNH may have a better potential upside as a takeover target and pays a better dividend. Both companies are well managed.
Keep in mind that fertilizer stocks can be very volatile so don't buy these planning to keep them for years. Ultimately they will crater some day. I can remember considering buying TRA at $4.00 something like 8 years ago. It seemed too risky even with the upside.
Posted on 5/17/10 at 1:54 pm to Tigris
Looks like Im going to purchase my first stock tomorrow, however Im thinking of buying a fund need some ideas.
Posted on 5/18/10 at 7:00 am to Tiger4
Cramer was screaming yesterday to sell all Chinese stocks......and I hold a couple of them!
I didnt sell. Shame on me. We shall see.
I didnt sell. Shame on me. We shall see.
Posted on 5/18/10 at 12:03 pm to bossflossjr
Posted on 5/19/10 at 8:49 am to Tiger4
TNH still getting hammered the past two days ![](https://images.tigerdroppings.com/Images/icons/shock.gif)
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Posted on 5/19/10 at 9:55 am to donRANDOMnumbers
Oil has taken a blugeoning the past two weeks. Starting to scope USO out for a good long entry point. Needs to form a base first though...
Posted on 5/19/10 at 3:43 pm to dutchdanish
Anybody see any positive days ahead....ever? It's been painful to watch recently.
Posted on 5/20/10 at 9:55 am to wegotdatwood
To all of the XOM fans out there...so, I bought in a bit at $63 and I'm planning to continue to buy as the price drops. My question is - should I continue to buy every few days/weeks for dollar cost average, or should I just watch this stock's (and industry overall)value drop and wait to get back in (possibly in the low to mid $50's?
Thanks!
Thanks!
Posted on 5/24/10 at 7:33 pm to toddts
any of you guys use 3rd party charting software. looking for something better than what Etrade offers. (im a technical trader)
Posted on 5/24/10 at 7:36 pm to toddts
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To all of the XOM fans out there...so, I bought in a bit at $63 and I'm planning to continue to buy as the price drops. My question is - should I continue to buy every few days/weeks for dollar cost average, or should I just watch this stock's (and industry overall)value drop and wait to get back in (possibly in the low to mid $50's?
Thanks!
I like it right now at $60.
Posted on 5/24/10 at 7:50 pm to wegotdatwood
Select miners, both coal and gold, have been doing well recently with the continuing flight from the Euro to US Treasuries and other hard assets.
Posted on 5/24/10 at 8:43 pm to Propagandalf
StocksCharts.com is the be-all end-all of online charting.
I get the "Extra!" package w/ real-time charting.
I get the "Extra!" package w/ real-time charting.
This post was edited on 5/24/10 at 8:45 pm
Posted on 5/24/10 at 8:49 pm to toddts
toddts, I wouldn't recommend firing all of your powder at once for any stock right now. 20% positions at a time. Cost averaging is saving my arse right now on my long positions, but it wouldn't be possible if I'd fired it all away at once.
This post was edited on 5/24/10 at 8:49 pm
Posted on 5/24/10 at 9:33 pm to RedStickBR
Tomorrow is shaping up to be a fun day to watch the markets. Hold on boys.
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