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re: So I bought some Gamestop(GME)
Posted on 1/26/21 at 6:18 pm to Chucktown_Badger
Posted on 1/26/21 at 6:18 pm to Chucktown_Badger
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Puts for Mar 5th expiration at a $20 strike price are right around $2.00. I know that a put is the option to SELL a stock at the strike price, but not the obligation to sell it (I don't own any to sell).
I think the stock is going to tank soon, so let's say by the end of february the stock is trading at $10 a share. How exactly would that be good or bad for me?
You can buy the stock at $10 and sell at $20. More than likely though, you’ll just sell the put and take the premium appreciation instead of having to buy the stock and then deliver it.
Posted on 1/26/21 at 6:21 pm to Napoleon
Holy shite...I got in for a little entertainment this morning at $88. Sold at $140 when it hit that dip at 2:30ish.
Kinda wish I hadn’t just checked back in... This is hilarious. Can’t believe Elon chimed in...
Kinda wish I hadn’t just checked back in... This is hilarious. Can’t believe Elon chimed in...
Posted on 1/26/21 at 6:22 pm to southernelite
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You can buy the stock at $10 and sell at $20. More than likely though, you’ll just sell the put and take the premium appreciation instead of having to buy the stock and then deliver it.
Thanks. And if the stock is still trading around $100 nearing expiration? Could I be on the hook to have to buy $10,000 worth and sell it for $2,000? Or could I just let it expire?
This post was edited on 1/26/21 at 6:24 pm
Posted on 1/26/21 at 6:30 pm to Rainydave
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Can’t believe Elon chimed in...
With his past experience with shorters, I wouldn't be surprised if he's having some fun beyond just tweeting.
Posted on 1/26/21 at 6:31 pm to Chucktown_Badger
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So I just watched a few YouTube videos on options and I totally get calls, but I'm still confused about how puts work. Can someone help me understand, in understandable English, how a put would work for this stock? I do not own any shares.
Puts for Mar 5th expiration at a $20 strike price are right around $2.00. I know that a put is the option to SELL a stock at the strike price, but not the obligation to sell it (I don't own any to sell).
What stock you talking about Macy? I'm looking at Macy's options right now, though it probably isn't updated with after hours numbers but I'll just use them as an example.
Macy price at time of example: $16.27
March 5, $20 put strike is at $5.58.
So you are paying $558 for 1 contract (1 contract equals 100 shares, so $5.58x100 = your $558) put at the $20 strike. Basically you have the right by March 5, to sell 1 contract of 100 shares at the price of $20/share. But you have to remember your premium that you paid for the contract, which was $558. So to find out what your 'breakeven' price is you need to subtract the contract price from the strike price. So $20 minus the $5.58, which is $14.42. So the stock price of Macy needs to get below $14.42 for you to make a profit. But that is why the greeks are so important, but it is constantly changing and definitely has an affect on the price/profits. IV (implied volatility) is also very important in this regard too.
Also there are several things you can do with a option contract, you can buy a put/call or sell a put/call. If you are new, I would highly advise against ever selling a put or call. If you sell a put/call then you could end up having to buy 100 shares at the strike price, which can be thousands of dollars. If you have 100 shares of the stock and sell a put/call then it isn't as risky then, though you could lose your 100 shares.
So just stick with buying a call or a put. And when you buy a call or put, you can 'exercise' it which means you are going to pay the strike price for 100 shares. Otherwise, you just can sell the option contract to someone else and take your profits. Hope this helps and can explain more if needed.
Posted on 1/26/21 at 6:32 pm to Chucktown_Badger
If you BUY puts/calls you're not on the hook for anything. The premium you pay is your max loss
Posted on 1/26/21 at 6:33 pm to Chucktown_Badger
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Thanks. And if the stock is still trading around $100 nearing expiration? Could I be on the hook to have to buy $10,000 worth and sell it for $2,000? Or could I just let it expire?
You would let it expire worthless.
Posted on 1/26/21 at 6:36 pm to Chucktown_Badger
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And if the stock is still trading around $100 nearing expiration? Could I be on the hook to have to buy $10,000 worth and sell it for $2,000? Or could I just let it expire?
You most likely would've made a hefty profit on your puts and would need to close them out before expiration.
The vast majority of options get closed before expiration. You're essentially trading the price of the contracts rather than the price of the stock itself. You dont need to be in the money to profit off of options.
Posted on 1/26/21 at 6:36 pm to castorinho
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If you sell a put/call then you could end up having to buy 100 shares at the strike price, which can be thousands of dollars. If you have 100 shares of the stock and sell a put/call then it isn't as risky then, though you could lose your 100 shares.
See, what you're saying runs counter to what others have said, such as this:
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If you BUY puts/calls you're not on the hook for anything. The premium you pay is your max loss
Probably why I'm getting confused. And I thought I could have that option appreciate on the market and sell it to make a profit.
Unless we're talking about two different kinds of "sell a put/call".
This post was edited on 1/26/21 at 6:39 pm
Posted on 1/26/21 at 6:38 pm to southernelite
quote:It can still get exercised. I bought a call and it expired at a loss, not sure it was actually at $0, but it still got exercised. I didn't think it would happen and didn't even try to sell it. TDA exercised it for me and come Monday morning I owed them $16k. So you need to make sure your broker knows to not exercise any contracts unless you manually do it.
You would let it expire worthless.
Posted on 1/26/21 at 6:39 pm to Chucktown_Badger
Well that's why I capitalized BUY. He's taking about SELL
Posted on 1/26/21 at 6:39 pm to KickPuncher
The moral of the story is never let any option contract go all the way to expiration. Even if it’s for 10 cents. Close it out.
Posted on 1/26/21 at 6:40 pm to KickPuncher
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I bought a call and it expired at a loss, not sure it was actually at $0, but it still got exercised.
That doesn't sound like an option at all then. I thought the whole point of a "option" is that you yourself have the option on whether you want to exercise it.
Posted on 1/26/21 at 6:40 pm to Chucktown_Badger
quote:You are getting confused. There is a big difference between "selling" a put/call and "buying" a put/call.
Chitown_Badger
Buying an option, you can only lose the premium you pay. Selling an option and you can lose way way way more than you could make in the premium. When selling an option, you make money on the premium price someone pays you.
Posted on 1/26/21 at 6:41 pm to castorinho
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Well that's why I capitalized BUY. He's taking about SELL
Well if I buy a few options and they appreciate, I would want to sell and take my profit.
ETA I see the post above and that makes sense. So what are the put options in etrade?
This post was edited on 1/26/21 at 6:45 pm
Posted on 1/26/21 at 6:42 pm to Chucktown_Badger
There’s a big difference between buying to open and selling to open.
Posted on 1/26/21 at 6:44 pm to Chucktown_Badger
Either sell it before it expires or exercise it if there is profit. If you exercise, you have to pay for the shares.
This post was edited on 1/26/21 at 6:47 pm
Posted on 1/26/21 at 6:47 pm to Chucktown_Badger
quote:with options you can sell what you don't have
Well if I buy a few options and they appreciate, I would want to sell and take my profit.
So you can BUY a put and you can SELL a put. You're confusing the latter with selling a put that you had previously bought to close your position
Posted on 1/26/21 at 6:50 pm to castorinho
Not submitted, but would this be the correct way to do it...BUYING one and not SELLING one? I mean, the fact that it's costing me money and not giving me the money up front makes me think I'm right, but I'm not down to assume anything
This post was edited on 1/26/21 at 6:52 pm
Posted on 1/26/21 at 6:51 pm to Chucktown_Badger
If you believe the stock will go down yes that is the correct way to do it.
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