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re: Sign on bonuses with no matching raise the next year

Posted on 4/10/19 at 10:30 pm to
Posted by Golfer
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Posted on 4/10/19 at 10:30 pm to
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That's assuming none of those job changes were promotional and that I had the same experience with every company. Your argument is weak.


You’re assuming that. Not me.
Posted by Mr.Perfect
Louisiana
Member since Mar 2013
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Posted on 4/10/19 at 10:31 pm to
I wish you worked for me so I could shitcan your arse.
Posted by HogFanfromHTown
Dallas, TX
Member since Sep 2015
3597 posts
Posted on 4/10/19 at 10:32 pm to
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You’re assuming that. Not me.


Really? So why do you say that I'm making less money than my friends and that I would continue to switch jobs oh right because what I said was exactly what you were insuaiting that's why. I am leaving the door right open for you to shite on me ans call me a dumbass so go ahead and do it cause you know you want to.
Posted by Golfer
Member since Nov 2005
75052 posts
Posted on 4/10/19 at 10:33 pm to
I’m going out on a limb that OP’s signing bonus was moving/relocation comp which is common even for entry level roles these days from colleges in smaller markets.
Posted by HogFanfromHTown
Dallas, TX
Member since Sep 2015
3597 posts
Posted on 4/10/19 at 10:33 pm to
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I wish you worked for me so I could shitcan your arse

You would love me as all my bosses do. You think I would actually talk like this in person? Damn you have no common sense.
This post was edited on 4/10/19 at 10:35 pm
Posted by rowbear1922
Houston, TX
Member since Oct 2008
15573 posts
Posted on 4/10/19 at 10:34 pm to
quote:

Really? So why do you say that I'm making less money than my friends and that I would continue to switch jobs oh right because what I said was exactly what you were insuaiting that's why. I am leaving the door right open for you to shite on me ans call me a dumbass so go ahead and do it cause you know you want to.


You are also ASSUMING you will get promotions along the way.
Posted by Golfer
Member since Nov 2005
75052 posts
Posted on 4/10/19 at 10:35 pm to
quote:

So why do you say that I'm making less money than my friends and that I would continue to switch jobs oh right because what I said was exactly what you were insuaiting that's why.


I don’t know. Maybe because I’ve been out in the workplace over a decade longer than you and have watched how employers treat the serial job hoppers (even for promotions) vs. the moderately loyal employees that move up internally.
Posted by HogFanfromHTown
Dallas, TX
Member since Sep 2015
3597 posts
Posted on 4/10/19 at 10:37 pm to
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You are also ASSUMING you will get promotions along the way
i didn't assume anything. I merely provided a counter argument.
Posted by rowbear1922
Houston, TX
Member since Oct 2008
15573 posts
Posted on 4/10/19 at 10:38 pm to
quote:

i didn't assume anything. I merely provided a counter argument.


So counter argue my post on the last page:

quote:

Your ENTIRE argument is that you feel slighted because you won't be making as much total compensation in the next year as the previous year.

You believe because you got a one time bonus last year, you deserve that bonus again plus your base salary. I tell you a real world scenario where someone would have less total compensation and all of a sudden you are lost and need some bullshite "FACTS" because I proved you wrong.

You want a full scenario:

A new grad in my line of work has a base salary of $70k. If they are on a project working onsite, they get straight time OT for anything over 40 hrs, a monthly per diem of $3500 post tax ($5333 and some change pre-tax). All moving expenses are reimbursed by the company, per diem for housing, meals, incidentals. Project is a success and has a 10% completion bonus if they stay to the end. The net sum if they work all the OT but still use there vacation time, total compensation for a year is ~ $157,822.92.

If the new grad spends all of the next year in the home office where there is no OT, per diem, etc, their total compensation is $70,000.

By your logic, their new base should be $157,822.92.
Posted by HogFanfromHTown
Dallas, TX
Member since Sep 2015
3597 posts
Posted on 4/10/19 at 10:38 pm to
quote:

don’t know. Maybe because I’ve been out in the workplace over a decade longer than you and have watched how employers treat the serial job hoppers (even for promotions) vs. the moderately loyal employees that move up internally.

Good for you bro that's completley irrelevant and you still assumed I would switch jobs 6 times. SIX!!! Lmfaooooooooooooo god damn that was a dumb response.
This post was edited on 4/10/19 at 10:39 pm
Posted by HogFanfromHTown
Dallas, TX
Member since Sep 2015
3597 posts
Posted on 4/10/19 at 10:42 pm to
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So counter argue my post on the last page: 


You're not doing the same work or working the same hours. Those two jobs are completley different in their demands. Shitty example. And no my logic would say that if they continued to work overtime and provided the same value as the work on that sign on project at their home office then they would have earned equal pay. You're not good at this. This is also a salary unexempt example which is a completley different scenario. Really shitty example.
This post was edited on 4/10/19 at 10:43 pm
Posted by Golfer
Member since Nov 2005
75052 posts
Posted on 4/10/19 at 10:43 pm to
quote:

Good for you bro that's completley irrelevant and you still assumed I would switch jobs 6 times. SIX!!! Lmfaooooooooooooo god damn that was a dumb response.


It was in response to your claim that you don’t mind job hopping when companies refuse to increase your year 2 wages based off your compensation plus signing bonus. So yes, you will be looking for a new job each year.
Posted by HogFanfromHTown
Dallas, TX
Member since Sep 2015
3597 posts
Posted on 4/10/19 at 10:51 pm to
quote:

It was in response to your claim that you don’t mind job hopping when companies refuse to increase your year 2 wages based off your compensation plus signing bonus. So yes, you will be looking for a new job each year.

Who said I was going to switch jobs immediately after 1 year? Why could I not have waited until year two to get a good reference? Oh you assumed that that's right. Try harder to make a good point next time man.
This post was edited on 4/10/19 at 10:52 pm
Posted by rowbear1922
Houston, TX
Member since Oct 2008
15573 posts
Posted on 4/10/19 at 10:53 pm to
quote:

You're not doing the same work or woeking the same hours. Thise two jobs are completley different in their demands. Shitty example. And no my logic would say that if they continued to work overtime and provided the same value as the work on that sign on project at their home office then they would have earned equal pay. You're not good at this.


No, you are the one that is terrible at this. You talk total compensation then have no response when counter arguments are brought to you.

For me, my job is the same rather I am in the home office or field office. Let's even eliminate the OT pay so that it's the exact same hours worked for the exact same hours for my previous example, the total compensation would be $133, 996.00 (you aren't the only one good at excel). Should the employee's new compensation be $133,966 when they are in the home office?

While I am thinking about it, let's get back to where you said earlier if they had not given you a raise, you would have looked for a new job. By that thinking, you would have to get a 10% raise to actual raise your total compensation from the year before. Even the 7% match would not have raised your total compensation from the previous year. See how your logic completely falls apart?
This post was edited on 4/10/19 at 10:56 pm
Posted by CE Tiger
Metairie
Member since Jan 2008
41782 posts
Posted on 4/10/19 at 10:56 pm to
You talk about the OT salary being a different situation but don’t recognize that your first year and second year are different situations as well. You know how cell phone companies used to give free phones to join the network.. that’s the equivalent of your sign on bonus. The next year did you expect another free phone??

Sign on bonus is an HR tool for negotiations. They can’t bring a new hire onto the company making 7%!l more than someone who is been there for a few years. They offer your base salary with a sign on bonus to make up for any lost salary and entice you from the competition. They then put stipulation that when you accept you are on the hook or have to pay it back. In the future which I’m sure will be soon when you negotiate salary go after a higher base instead of a one time bonus.
Posted by Golfer
Member since Nov 2005
75052 posts
Posted on 4/10/19 at 11:05 pm to
I do have to admit to the OP. This is a decent troll.

The problem is on the MT, no one gets pissed. They’ll continue to refute the troll with facts and actual experience in the situation.
Posted by HogFanfromHTown
Dallas, TX
Member since Sep 2015
3597 posts
Posted on 4/10/19 at 11:10 pm to
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See how your logic completely falls apart?

I've literaly countered the argument more times over than I can I can count. You aren't providing anything new to the comveraation. My previous points still all stand. Have fun thinking your smart.
Posted by HogFanfromHTown
Dallas, TX
Member since Sep 2015
3597 posts
Posted on 4/10/19 at 11:11 pm to
quote:

You know how cell phone companies used to give free phones to join the network.. that’s the equivalent of your sign on bonus. 

This is the one.
Posted by rowbear1922
Houston, TX
Member since Oct 2008
15573 posts
Posted on 4/10/19 at 11:17 pm to
quote:

I've literaly countered the argument more times over than I can I can count. You aren't providing anything new to the comveraation. My previous points still all stand.


You have provided zero valid arguments or points. All you have proved is you do not understand the difference between bonus and base salary.

If you truly think each and every year you will make more total compensation than the previous year, you will be greatly disappointed later in life. If everyone had your mentality, no one would ever get a bonus because the employees would all expect that same level of total compensation every time.
Posted by HogFanfromHTown
Dallas, TX
Member since Sep 2015
3597 posts
Posted on 4/10/19 at 11:19 pm to
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You have provided zero valid arguments or points.
my arse you just refuse to acknowledge them
quote:

If you truly think each and every year you will make more total compensation than the previous year, you will be greatly disappointed later in life
doubt it
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