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Should I buy silver?

Posted on 4/22/21 at 7:34 am
Posted by Boss13
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Posted on 4/22/21 at 7:34 am
Would like this boards opinion on silver. I have some money invested in PSLV which tracks the silver price. I'm personally not interested in buying physical as ot seems there is a rediculous markup. The fundamentals seem to be there with it consistently testing its upper limit and its demand for a safe haven asset. Based on my research, it could also have a bigger upside than gold because it seems to have been in gold's shadow since the 80's. It also has some industrial uses that gold does not.

I'm not asking if there is going to be an imminent collapse in the market, but if I am thinking correctly that it is a healthy long term play. I personally believe it has tremendous potential in what I believe may be an overvalued market.

Silver Markets Press Upside

Silver Bullish Momentum

Silverprice.org - Where I watch the price
Posted by down time
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Posted on 4/22/21 at 7:39 am to
No
Posted by ronricks
Member since Mar 2021
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Posted on 4/22/21 at 7:46 am to
I wouldn't. I sold all my silver last summer when prices started to skyrocket. It wasn't easy to sell and the people I was dealing with were complete degenerates. I took the silver money and put it in BTC and my gains have been off the charts compared to any precious metal. There are far better options right now to put your money in than gold or silver.
Posted by Boss13
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Posted on 4/22/21 at 7:52 am to
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I wouldn't. I sold all my silver last summer when prices started to skyrocket. It wasn't easy to sell and the people I was dealing with were complete degenerates. I took the silver money and put it in BTC and my gains have been off the charts compared to any precious metal. There are far better options right now to put your money in than gold or silver.


I dont want to turn this into a BTC debate but I'm not comfortable buying into it at this point and time.
Posted by iAmBatman
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Posted on 4/22/21 at 7:53 am to
I have just for the novelty and it makes a good gift for my young kids. I don't consider in my overall portfolio but I like having there and it's fun to pull it all out once in a while and admire. I buy it sporadically, along with other precious metals, but again, it isn't a factor in my investment portfolio.
Posted by TigerTatorTots
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Member since Jul 2009
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Posted on 4/22/21 at 8:18 am to
No, precious metals are no longer a good investment now that Bitcoin has been legitimized. There is no better long term store of value play than Bitcoin right now.

Current prices:
Silver spot - $26.30
Bitcoin price - $54,950
ETA: to reference when we take another look at this years from now



This post was edited on 4/22/21 at 9:28 am
Posted by UpstairsComputer
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Posted on 4/22/21 at 8:23 am to
Stores of value don't drop 15% overnight randomly.

Yes, silver is fine, just allocate a small amount 3-7% depending on how your portfolio looks and risk tolerance.
Posted by TigerTatorTots
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Posted on 4/22/21 at 8:24 am to
quote:

Yes, silver is fine, just allocate a small amount 3-7% depending on how your portfolio looks and risk tolerance.

3-7% of your entire portfolio in PMs? Jesus.
Posted by Boss13
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Posted on 4/22/21 at 8:30 am to
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No, precious metals are no longer a good investment...


Broad, bold statement. I disagree and liken the statement to people saying oil is done.
Posted by ronricks
Member since Mar 2021
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Posted on 4/22/21 at 8:31 am to
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I dont want to turn this into a BTC debate but I'm not comfortable buying into it at this point and time.


You don't have to. Take the money and invest in something else. Gold/Silver are at the bottom of the spectrum right now.
Posted by UpstairsComputer
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Posted on 4/22/21 at 8:40 am to
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No, precious metals are no longer a good investment

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3-7% of your entire portfolio in PMs? Jesus.


I can't tell if you are arguing with yourself. 3-7% in silver. No telling what else this dude has.
Posted by GhostofJackson
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Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 4/22/21 at 8:43 am to
BTC costs too much for its own good. The supply is running out in a few years, right? At what point will it no longer be a good investment? You can't eat it, you can't physically hold it and you can't make things from it. It'll continue to go up near term, maybe even one day hit 100k, but at some point people are going to realize the only thing they can do it with it is hold it. It's not an investment in a company or a commodity. When that day comes, it will sink like a rock.

Basically, BTC is a short term hold (maybe a few years) but eventually its going to be all about stable coins. The average person will NEVER buy/sell in BTC.
Posted by rocket31
Member since Jan 2008
41819 posts
Posted on 4/22/21 at 8:43 am to
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Stores of value don't drop 15% overnight randomly.


ok if that's your argument, fine

But do you even know the total circulating supply of silver? seems even more ridiculous to have a "store of value" be something you don't even know the total of and which can be mined indefinitely
This post was edited on 4/22/21 at 8:44 am
Posted by ronricks
Member since Mar 2021
6317 posts
Posted on 4/22/21 at 8:47 am to
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The average person will NEVER buy/sell in BTC.


Do you know anyone who takes a silver eagle or Canadian maple leaf to the store to purchase anything? A gold eagle? The only people I know who push gold and silver are Boomers who know nothing about modern investing. Are there worse things you could buy than gold or silver? Sure. But when compared with other investments this day and age gold and silver are at the very bottom.
Posted by rocket31
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 4/22/21 at 8:48 am to
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BTC costs too much for its own good.


you can get 1 million sats for under $600 bruh
Posted by FredsGotSlacks
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Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 4/22/21 at 9:05 am to
Silver is the most frustrating investment I’ve ever entered into but it’s also the strongest fundamentally. The issues aren’t the actual commodity but the way in which it is traded on the COMEX which allows the large bullion banks to manipulate the price as they see fit, but I think they’re screwed and are slowly trying to get on the right side of the trade.

The efforts to “squeeze the COMEX” since February have actually been extremely successful as the registered inventory at the COMEX vault is down 20% or a little over 30 million ounces. The situation is dire as annual silver production has decreased an average of 5-8% every year for the past 5 years as older mines come offline without any replacements. Most mining companies were barely staying afloat for a decade so there hasn’t been any excess capital for R&D for exploration and development of new drill sites.

On top of the the decreasing supply you have demand increasing at a minimum of 10% annually due to the commercial applications alone. EVs, solar panels, consumer electronics use silver as it is by far the most efficient semiconductor out there. The aspect that most weren’t expecting is that retail investment demand has actually far exceeded anyone’s expectations over the past 3 years and 2021 is going to absolutely slaughter any previous year for the amount of silver purchased by individuals/ETFs. All this to say that silver will actually be in a deficit this year, there will be far more consumed than produced for the first time in quite a while.

Silver ain’t sexy but it is already in a nice little bull run that I think could see silver get to 75-100 within the next couple years. If you’re looking for how to make money based on that information buy mining stocks (CDE, AG, HL) or if you’re looking for a gamble with enormous payouts gobble up some junior mining stocks (abra, kuya, aya, vangold) as those will see 10-20x gains in a silver bull run.

Lastly do not buy SLV, it is a fake paper scam run by JPM and black rock that uses silver in London vaults that is already delivered, it does not require metal to come off the market and just gives them your money for silver purchased by up to 300 other people. If you want a fund PSLV is definitely the way to go, they source and buy new metal from the market which adds more stress to an already delicate situation.

Disclaimer I am heavy in PM mining stocks and also hold quite a bit of physical silver/gold and own PSLV.
Posted by rocket31
Member since Jan 2008
41819 posts
Posted on 4/22/21 at 9:07 am to
there was a 2 hour long bitcoin vs gold debate last night on youtube actually if anyone is interested

LINK
Posted by 21JumpStreet
Member since Jul 2012
14639 posts
Posted on 4/22/21 at 9:11 am to
If buying silver, buy digital silver ltc
Posted by FredsGotSlacks
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 4/22/21 at 9:13 am to
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there was a 2 hour long bitcoin vs gold debate last night on youtube actually if anyone is interested

I watched it, Saylor was far superior to Guistra but honestly frank was the wrong guy for that debate. Should’ve been Saylor vs Schiff.

I don’t think BTC vs Gold/Silver is a debate even worth having as I think both have value and risks and people should hedge accordingly and own both.
Posted by TigerTatorTots
The Safeshore
Member since Jul 2009
80761 posts
Posted on 4/22/21 at 9:22 am to
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I can't tell if you are arguing with yourself. 3-7% in silver. No telling what else this dude has.

I'm saying 3-7% of an entire portfolio in metal is mind blowing, as in way too much.
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