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re: Salary Advice
Posted on 9/21/11 at 4:37 pm to TortiousTiger
Posted on 9/21/11 at 4:37 pm to TortiousTiger
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not much. you are completely and totally replaceable nearly instantly.
I understand my lack of expertise in the field makes me more replaceable than irreplacable, hence the reason why I started this thread...but my work ethic and dedication to success are not replaceable compared to some dumbass 22 yr old straight out of college who thinks he knows everything bc he got an "A" in class... I do have years of a proven track record, not in an accounting specific field, but in transferrable skills from the military and my full time salaried job while I was putting myself through college...
Also, my job also consist of being the HS&E Director...find an ACCOUNTANT that can double as a Safety rep to go to client meetings, present company performance through a behavioral based safety program, etc.... Thanks for the quick, ignorant judgement.
I could say the same to you...just because you have experience does not mean you are irreplaceable.
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Posted on 9/21/11 at 4:41 pm to TRUSAINT21
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but my work ethic and dedication to success
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but in transferrable skills from the military and my full time salaried job while I was putting myself through college...
those are intangibles.
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Thanks for the quick, ignorant judgement.
why are you taking this personally?
you're entry level, no matter how you want to paint it. You just got your degree. I'm not hating... that's just the way it is.
hard working entry level people are a dime a dozen in this economy.
Posted on 9/21/11 at 4:54 pm to TortiousTiger
Eh, his description of his job makes it sound like he's not your average entry level accountant. I think he's a lot less easily replaceable than joe accounting student working as a cost accountant.
Posted on 9/21/11 at 4:59 pm to kfizzle85
are there people out there who DO think they are average entry level people?
entry level is entry level. Prior military and prior non-direct experience doesnt set anyone apart from the pack in this climate... it might get a foot in the door, but it doesnt give you any extra rungs on the ladder.
entry level is entry level. Prior military and prior non-direct experience doesnt set anyone apart from the pack in this climate... it might get a foot in the door, but it doesnt give you any extra rungs on the ladder.
This post was edited on 9/21/11 at 5:00 pm
Posted on 9/21/11 at 5:00 pm to kfizzle85
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Posted by kfizzle85
Eh, his description of his job makes it sound like he's not your average entry level accountant. I think he's a lot less easily replaceable than joe accounting student working as a cost accountant.
I agree. I'm a little surprised he was given the position. Great first job. But he is replaceable
Posted on 9/21/11 at 5:10 pm to TortiousTiger
Yes, I would say like 99% of the people hired directly out of college realize that they are immediately expendable. This guy appears to do A LOT more than what a normal entry level stiff does. I'm not referring to his prior experience, I'm referring to what he says he does for the org now. Managing 5 people, re-organizing books, reporting to the owners with no oversight is not entry level responsibility. Someone else can do it, sure, but its not likely a turnkey replacement like it is with some staff accountant.
Posted on 9/21/11 at 5:23 pm to kfizzle85
Imo, none of that matters. Three months ago he graduated from college. They could hire a high quality new grad today at $35k and expect the same out of them.
Posted on 9/21/11 at 5:27 pm to TortiousTiger
My advise to the op, become indispensable to your company... it sounds like you have been put into a position to do it. Capitalize on that, become a proven commodity, then worry about what you ate worth.
Posted on 9/21/11 at 5:33 pm to TortiousTiger
I really highly doubt that.
Posted on 9/21/11 at 5:51 pm to TortiousTiger
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Imo, none of that matters. Three months ago he graduated from college. They could hire a high quality new grad today at $35k and expect the same out of them.
They could not.
The top grads are not going to a 65 person firm to be an "entry level accountant" at 35k. A top grad in accounting would consider B4, making a minimum of 50k a year with a much more impressive resume item for the rest of his or her career.
The company could probably find a new college grad that is serviceable but not one of the brightest.
"There is always a lot of good talent but not a lot of great talent".
This post was edited on 9/21/11 at 5:53 pm
Posted on 9/21/11 at 5:52 pm to lynxcat
And even if they could, to expect them to come in and do what this guy says he does with little to no transition, which is what being replaceable at the entry level means, its just not realistic at all.
Posted on 9/21/11 at 5:55 pm to kfizzle85
Little to no transition? The guy has been in his field for three months.
Posted on 9/21/11 at 5:55 pm to TortiousTiger
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TortiousTiger
You are coming off as the type of person that would say, "they should just be thankful to have a job".
That doesn't work with top talent--even right out of college.
I think the OP should probably be at about 50-55k. While he is in charge of a lot, he is still a new graduate at a small firm. If this was a bigger company then I would add 10-15k to that number, but a recent college grad wouldn't have the position.
This post was edited on 9/21/11 at 5:57 pm
Posted on 9/21/11 at 5:57 pm to lynxcat
Your talking about a bs from nicholls.
I hired a Harvard grad for 35k last month.
I hired a Harvard grad for 35k last month.
Posted on 9/21/11 at 6:04 pm to TortiousTiger
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Your talking about a bs from nicholls.
I hired a Harvard grad for 35k last month.
Not a top Harvard graduate...
**bring in the Harvard argument**
This post was edited on 9/21/11 at 6:05 pm
Posted on 9/21/11 at 6:05 pm to TortiousTiger
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Little to no transition? The guy has been in his field for three months.
I'm assuming you're literally just not reading anything else. Whatever.
Posted on 9/21/11 at 6:12 pm to lynxcat
Harvard masters. Big east school BS.
> nicholls bs + intangibles.
Not bashing nicholls at all, I'm just illustrating my point as to the quality of candidate that can be had at a certain price point.
> nicholls bs + intangibles.
Not bashing nicholls at all, I'm just illustrating my point as to the quality of candidate that can be had at a certain price point.
Posted on 9/21/11 at 6:14 pm to TortiousTiger
Do you work in the oilfield services industry? I thought you were a lawyer?
Posted on 9/21/11 at 6:16 pm to kfizzle85
Most of my time is spent in management, but I am also a lawyer.
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