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PMI payments question

Posted on 4/1/14 at 8:22 pm
Posted by HailToTheChiz
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Posted on 4/1/14 at 8:22 pm
Is this for the life of a mortgage? Does it ever drop of? Does refinancing remove it?
Posted by Taxing Tiger
Member since Mar 2013
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Posted on 4/1/14 at 8:33 pm to
Not forever. They will continue until your LTV (loan to value) ratio reaches 78%. However, your required to at least make 60 monthly payments. Depending on your down payment and any extra principal payments you make, they could be gone in 5 years. If you only put 3% down and only make your standard monthly payment then they could stretch out to 10-11 years. Some lenders will allow you to finance/prepay the MIP upfront at closing. It's generally 1.75% of the loan amount if you choose to go this route.
Posted by soccerfüt
Location: A Series of Tubes
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Posted on 4/1/14 at 8:36 pm to
Private Mortgage Insurance (PMI) is an insurance policy taken out to cover a loan which is close to the value of a property. It usually dropped once the amount owed reaches 80% of the appraised value of the property. Different lending institutions have differing regulations. A second mortgage which gets back over the 80% LTV threshold will probably have it added to it.

Or what he said^
This post was edited on 4/1/14 at 8:37 pm
Posted by HailToTheChiz
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Posted on 4/1/14 at 8:43 pm to
Thanks all
Posted by Brettesaurus Rex
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 4/1/14 at 8:45 pm to
If you can afford to, ask about paying a lump sum up front to avoid it completely, I did that and it's saving me over 200$ a month for the life of the loan.
Posted by JonTheTigerFan
Central, LA
Member since Nov 2003
6784 posts
Posted on 4/1/14 at 11:26 pm to
If it's an FHA loan, it's for the life of the loan. Even if you start out with FHA, you could refinance out of it later.
Posted by mglsu21
Prairieville
Member since Jun 2012
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Posted on 4/2/14 at 8:28 am to
quote:

Is this for the life of a mortgage? Does it ever drop of? Does refinancing remove it?


Need more information on what type of loan
Posted by HailToTheChiz
Back in Auburn
Member since Aug 2010
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Posted on 4/2/14 at 8:33 am to
Fha
Posted by mglsu21
Prairieville
Member since Jun 2012
1260 posts
Posted on 4/2/14 at 8:38 am to
quote:

Fha


What JonTheTiger said. FHA is now for the life of the loan, but you can always refi later (when under 78% LTV) to get rid of it, if it makes sense at that time.
This post was edited on 4/2/14 at 8:39 am
Posted by lsujro
north of the wall
Member since Jul 2007
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Posted on 4/2/14 at 8:43 am to
quote:

Not forever. They will continue until your LTV (loan to value) ratio reaches 78%. However, your required to at least make 60 monthly payments. Depending on your down payment and any extra principal payments you make, they could be gone in 5 years. If you only put 3% down and only make your standard monthly payment then they could stretch out to 10-11 years. Some lenders will allow you to finance/prepay the MIP upfront at closing. It's generally 1.75% of the loan amount if you choose to go this route.


this is applicable to fha loans. not necessarily the case for a conventional mortgage.
Posted by Feed Me Popeyes
Baltimore, MD
Member since Apr 2008
2104 posts
Posted on 4/2/14 at 8:43 am to
PMI on FHA loans is currently brutal. Assuming yours is fairly high (as a % of your payment to principal + interest), this may be one of the few scenarios where it is a good move to pay off loan principal early in order to refinance more quickly. In most other scenarios, you're better off investing those extra funds
Posted by AUtigerNOLA
New Orleans, LA
Member since Apr 2011
17107 posts
Posted on 4/2/14 at 9:51 am to
I agree. I got my FHA loan well before the new rule of the life of the loan. It used to be 5 years or ltv 78%.
Posted by HailToTheChiz
Back in Auburn
Member since Aug 2010
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Posted on 4/2/14 at 11:46 am to
If I only plan to stay in house 7 years or so, should I even bother trying to refinance
Posted by lsujro
north of the wall
Member since Jul 2007
3917 posts
Posted on 4/2/14 at 12:28 pm to
quote:

If I only plan to stay in house 7 years or so, should I even bother trying to refinance
i imagine this will depend on costs to refinance. i have the older type FHA as well. the rate is so low, i don't think it would benefit me to refinance to current rates. my current thinking is if values in my neighborhood continue to go up, i will refi. into a 15yr conventional (assuming rates don't skyrocket in the next few years). that is pretty wishful thinking tho. i will probably pay mortgage insurance until i move out of this house.
Posted by NbamaTiger90
Member since Sep 2012
1752 posts
Posted on 4/2/14 at 2:16 pm to
quote:

f I only plan to stay in house 7 years or so, should I even bother trying to refinance


I am not sure that has any bearing on deciding to refinance or not. If you can save money then you should refinance. My new loan has no PMI and just that alone saved me 177.00 per mo.

We plan on selling our house in 5 - 10 years.
Posted by Feed Me Popeyes
Baltimore, MD
Member since Apr 2008
2104 posts
Posted on 4/2/14 at 10:42 pm to
quote:

If I only plan to stay in house 7 years or so, should I even bother trying to refinance



Depends. How much is your loan, interest rate, and PMI?
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