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re: Options Trading Thread
Posted on 8/5/23 at 9:44 am to LSUtoOmaha
Posted on 8/5/23 at 9:44 am to LSUtoOmaha
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The basic premise is to buy month out puts on VXX anytime it closes above 7% on a single day.
OK. Shorting the pop in vol?
Earnings plays have gone off well enough so far. I didn’t end up going after AMZN or SQ the other day. AMZN clearly would have been a winner. But I would have wound up being assigned on SQ. My trade was going to be short puts at 64 and it closed at 63.52. I sold puts on PYPL at 64. Closed at 62.75, so I took that assignment. Time to sell calls.
All that plus being more active than I’ve ever been selling SPX positions has made this my best week ever. One week before (early) retirement and it’s nice to have even greater confirmation that I’m making the right move.
Hope all you fellows had good trading weeks too.

Posted on 8/5/23 at 11:38 am to Jag_Warrior
Yep. Shorting the pop in Vol.
Question for you: what percent of your options account is typically "at risk." Meaning, if you were to get assigned every single one of your positions you have open, how much would you have to borrow or deposit to cover all the share purchases?
I've been hovering around 120% or so
Question for you: what percent of your options account is typically "at risk." Meaning, if you were to get assigned every single one of your positions you have open, how much would you have to borrow or deposit to cover all the share purchases?
I've been hovering around 120% or so
Posted on 8/7/23 at 8:27 am to LSUtoOmaha
That I was doing 0-1DTE SPX trades throughout the week throws a bit of a kink in the calculations. But just on earnings trades last week, using margin maintenance requirements of 30% (typically 10% requirement on the short put or call strike), I was at 13.5% of account equity on Friday, if I’d been assigned on everything. If I throw in the max loss on my typical SPX trades on a given day, it would have taken me to about 40%. But since SPX is cash settled, the only way those trades could reach true max loss would be if my system went down or something happened that I’d be unable to close a true loser before the close - so the more realistic total number would be about 30% of account equity.
Posted on 8/8/23 at 8:24 am to Jag_Warrior
Looks like a buy back day!
Posted on 8/8/23 at 8:42 am to Jjdoc
The VIX is (finally) back above 17!
Thankfully I was able to dump those assigned PYPL shares yesterday at 64.26 to get some capital back, instead of selling calls and trying to wheel my way out.

Thankfully I was able to dump those assigned PYPL shares yesterday at 64.26 to get some capital back, instead of selling calls and trying to wheel my way out.
Posted on 8/8/23 at 10:09 am to Jag_Warrior
VIX is now a touch above 18! Looking for a bounce around this level… if the S&P is to hold the 4450 level. Big IF, the way the selling waves keep hitting with every bit of buying though.
Posted on 8/8/23 at 11:43 am to Jag_Warrior
JAG- I'm going to play AXON earnings (after market close). IV is 51% and it's a good company (formerly TASER). Will probably short the 155 (12 delta)
Posted on 8/8/23 at 2:37 pm to LSUtoOmaha
I just got back in. AXON looks like a good play with above average IV and IV percentile. 

Posted on 8/8/23 at 3:19 pm to Jag_Warrior
Looks like an easy win for AXON. Up 10% or so afterhours.
Posted on 8/8/23 at 3:24 pm to Jag_Warrior
What range or threshold do you normally look at when determining what is a good IV for selling short puts? For example, IV on PENN is ~65% going into earning this week and I have sold put at 21.5/ buy put at 18.5 for small credit of .21
Posted on 8/8/23 at 5:53 pm to LSUTIGERS74
The IV is something of an indicator of how much relative premium is in the options (buying and/or selling). While the IV percentile roughly tells you where that IV is now in relation to where it’s been… and could be an indicator of how likely it is to expand or contract.
Rough example: ABC stock has an IV of 30, with an IV percentile of 90. XYZ stock has an IV of 90, with an IV percentile of 30. There should be some killer premium on XYZ’s options, but there’s a greater likelihood that implied vol. could expand from where it is now. So if choosing, all things being otherwise equal, I’d probably go with ABC (the lower IV underlying) as a short option play - less premium, but a greater chance that IV won’t greatly expand and hurt my short options. Especially on earnings, we make a large percentage of our money when IV gets crushed, and we tend to suffer when it expands.
Having both IV and IV percentile above 50 is a good starting point. But recently IV has, well… sucked royally (except for really speculative stocks). But you can still make money on lower IV plays. With earnings plays, do what LSUtoOmaha did with AXON and keep an eye on the deltas and sell your options or spreads shortly before the vol spike as close to the earnings announcement as you can. He just made a nice score, so let’s hit him up for a loan tomorrow.
Does that (not so well worded) explanation make sense?
Rough example: ABC stock has an IV of 30, with an IV percentile of 90. XYZ stock has an IV of 90, with an IV percentile of 30. There should be some killer premium on XYZ’s options, but there’s a greater likelihood that implied vol. could expand from where it is now. So if choosing, all things being otherwise equal, I’d probably go with ABC (the lower IV underlying) as a short option play - less premium, but a greater chance that IV won’t greatly expand and hurt my short options. Especially on earnings, we make a large percentage of our money when IV gets crushed, and we tend to suffer when it expands.
Having both IV and IV percentile above 50 is a good starting point. But recently IV has, well… sucked royally (except for really speculative stocks). But you can still make money on lower IV plays. With earnings plays, do what LSUtoOmaha did with AXON and keep an eye on the deltas and sell your options or spreads shortly before the vol spike as close to the earnings announcement as you can. He just made a nice score, so let’s hit him up for a loan tomorrow.

Does that (not so well worded) explanation make sense?
Posted on 8/8/23 at 6:10 pm to Jag_Warrior
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VIX is now a touch above 18! Looking for a bounce around this level… if the S&P is to hold the 4450 level. Big IF, the way the selling waves keep hitting with every bit of buying though.
Long story short: I had a large 0DTE short put vertical play on SPX with 4465 short puts expiring today. This morning, SPX touched 4464.39 as the (eventual) low for the session. But it hung around the 4466-69 level for what seemed like an eternity. At around 4475, I threw on an even larger 4515 short call vertical basket. Figured if I was going to get punched in the face on the downside (which I very much expected), I might as well try to lessen the pain with something on the upside (with no increase in buying power reduction).
Happy, surprise ending: market rebounded later in the day and closed at just below the dogged 4500 support level.
I tell these things to you guys because no one in my “real world” life has any clue at all of what I do for a living now, don’t really care how any of this works (they hear the term standard deviation and slowly back away from me)… or why I sometimes pace like a death row inmate.

Posted on 8/8/23 at 7:18 pm to Jag_Warrior
That's great. I had sold calls on Friday. Early in the trading day, I purchased those back with a 60%ish capture of those premiums.
I sold again at the end of the day Monday. Captured around 50% of the premium of those. Will sell again on a rebound day.
My NFLX is still making me work for though. Got a 442.5 that ends friday and the there is still about $400 in premium! It's getting close to that 442.
I sold again at the end of the day Monday. Captured around 50% of the premium of those. Will sell again on a rebound day.
My NFLX is still making me work for though. Got a 442.5 that ends friday and the there is still about $400 in premium! It's getting close to that 442.
Posted on 8/8/23 at 7:21 pm to Jag_Warrior
LOL! I have 1 family member I can talk to.
BTW... Have a look at SE. Premiums are large for a $57 dollar stock.
BTW... Have a look at SE. Premiums are large for a $57 dollar stock.
Posted on 8/8/23 at 7:28 pm to Jag_Warrior
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VIX is now a touch above 18!
Whew, I'm tired of rolling! The pull back has allowed me to close or at least get back OTM on a lot of positions I had. I actually got impatient a few weeks ago, and took some losses(that in hindsight) I didn't have to with the recent pullback. Live and learn, deploy more capital.....
Posted on 8/8/23 at 8:56 pm to Jjdoc
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I have 1 family member I can talk to.
BTW... Have a look at SE. Premiums are large for a $57 dollar stock.
I have one guy that I coached through a beginners options course a couple of years ago. He still works full time and trades a moderate amount. But he’s very conservative because he’s not able to watch his trades when he’s at work (being that he’s an anesthesiologist, that’s probably a good thing). We text back and forth on occasion, but other than that, I’m an options trading hermit.

Yeah, SE has some major IV. Earnings coming in about a week?
Posted on 8/8/23 at 8:59 pm to dragginass
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Live and learn, deploy more capital....
VIX pulled back on that late rebound, but still above 15… almost 16. Yeah, now we can put more of our capital out in the field to work!
Posted on 8/9/23 at 12:29 am to Jag_Warrior
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Yeah, SE has some major IV. Earnings coming in about a week?
Yep. The 15th.
If I can get in a PMCC at a great price, I may open one. Want to keep it below 1500...
Posted on 8/9/23 at 10:05 am to Jjdoc
WYNN and DIS report today. The IV on WYNN is about 43%, but the IV percentile is only 20% - expected move +/-5.72. The IV on DIS is almost 39% and the IV percentile is 56% - expected move +/-5.15.
I don’t have much conviction one way or the other on WYNN, but since I still have some DIS that got assigned to me off the last earnings report, I’ve sold 8/11 covered calls at the 95 strike (15 delta). Looking/hoping to (finally) get Mickey Mouse out of my back bedroom!
I don’t have much conviction one way or the other on WYNN, but since I still have some DIS that got assigned to me off the last earnings report, I’ve sold 8/11 covered calls at the 95 strike (15 delta). Looking/hoping to (finally) get Mickey Mouse out of my back bedroom!
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