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Posted on 2/6/18 at 7:29 am to
Posted by 21JumpStreet
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Posted on 2/6/18 at 7:29 am to
BofA,Chase,Citi,Capital One, are all banning coinbase credit card purchases.
Posted by Ron Cheramie
The Cajun Hedgehog
Member since Aug 2016
5601 posts
Posted on 2/6/18 at 7:36 am to
I asked this earlier and didn't get a response. Can you buy individuals stocks with a credit card? Can I open an etrade or vanguard account and put everything on my credit card?


Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 2/6/18 at 7:42 am to
quote:

BofA,Chase,Citi,Capital One, are all banning coinbase credit card purchases.

that makes no sense. why?
Posted by Bullfrog
Running Through the Wet Grass
Member since Jul 2010
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Posted on 2/6/18 at 7:47 am to
To “protect” you from their new competitor.
Posted by DreauxB2015
Member since Nov 2015
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Posted on 2/6/18 at 7:50 am to
They scared - payoff and cancel.
Posted by philabuck
NE Ohio
Member since Sep 2008
10394 posts
Posted on 2/6/18 at 7:53 am to
What is odd is they made crypto purchases a cash advance transaction last week and then they outright ban it the next. I guess they are not interested in making money.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 2/6/18 at 8:05 am to
my ignorance is going to show with this question but i'm curious. if you pay off a cash advance in full, does it matter? or is it one of those things where regardless, you get a % even if you pay it off in total every month?
Posted by PhiTiger1764
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Posted on 2/6/18 at 8:05 am to
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that makes no sense. why?

It makes total sense and I can’t believe it took this long. People were churning the frick out of credit cards via this method.

Buy crypto. Trade crypto for USD. Pay off credit card. Get a ton of free credit card rewards. Rinse and repeat.
Posted by PhiTiger1764
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Member since Oct 2009
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Posted on 2/6/18 at 8:06 am to
quote:

I asked this earlier and didn't get a response. Can you buy individuals stocks with a credit card? Can I open an etrade or vanguard account and put everything on my credit card?

I don’t know. My guess is no.
Posted by TigerTatorTots
The Safeshore
Member since Jul 2009
82134 posts
Posted on 2/6/18 at 8:12 am to
quote:

It makes total sense and I can’t believe it took this long. People were churning the frick out of credit cards via this method.

Buy crypto. Trade crypto for USD. Pay off credit card. Get a ton of free credit card rewards. Rinse and repeat.
I considered that but the 4% credit card fees on coinbase turned me away
Posted by S1C EM
Athens, GA
Member since Nov 2007
11594 posts
Posted on 2/6/18 at 8:13 am to
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Buy crypto. Trade crypto for USD. Pay off credit card. Get a ton of free credit card rewards. Rinse and repeat.


Unless people are cancelling their cards (and really, even if they were), I don't see how this bothers them.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
470334 posts
Posted on 2/6/18 at 8:14 am to
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I considered that but the 4% credit card fees on coinbase turned me away

exactly. no way that's very profitable, if at all... especially if you hit a downswing. the risks/cost outweigh the benefit

*ETA: if you were converting back to USD, that's also another 2-4% charge, then 2-4% to "pay off" the card
This post was edited on 2/6/18 at 8:17 am
Posted by Bullfrog
Running Through the Wet Grass
Member since Jul 2010
60713 posts
Posted on 2/6/18 at 8:18 am to
It was aggravating that I could instantly put money into Coinbase on my card but could not reverse that transaction directly back to the CC.

Had to wait 7 days by ACh back to my checking account before I could pay it off.
Posted by PhiTiger1764
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Member since Oct 2009
14523 posts
Posted on 2/6/18 at 8:18 am to
People were opening new cards. Hitting $4k minimum spends for 50,000 point sign up bonuses in a few days. That’s profitable even eating 4% fee.

Before the last month, a lot of people for a long time were making money with the crypto appreciation cancelling out the 4% fee.
Posted by S1C EM
Athens, GA
Member since Nov 2007
11594 posts
Posted on 2/6/18 at 8:18 am to
quote:

BofA,Chase,Citi,Capital One, are all banning coinbase credit card purchases.


This isn't new for at least Capital One. I posted about this when I was trying to buy my first ETH three weeks ago. Capital One declined the transaction and when I called them, they explained to me that ALL crypto purchases were not supported. In fact, when I attempted to use my debit card from a smaller, but strong local bank, it was also declined (and I received a weird email about it). I called them and same thing. Yet, they were okay with me doing an ACH.

As much as people want to give the card companies hell about this, I can't really blame them. I would be willing to bet that the issue is people would use cards to buy crypto, the crypto would tank and the buyer became impatient, buyer sold crypto at a loss, then buyer pursues said loss through the credit card's dispute process citing that they were "misled" about the "product" which they were buying.

So lack of both patience and an understanding of what an investment is. Those are the most likely culprits here.
Posted by S1C EM
Athens, GA
Member since Nov 2007
11594 posts
Posted on 2/6/18 at 8:19 am to
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payoff and cancel.


Absolutely would not advise this, ever. At the very least, you don't cancel your older, more established cards. You will negatively affect your credit in the process. Even cancelling a new one can do the same as it will immediately impact your utilization ratios.
This post was edited on 2/6/18 at 8:23 am
Posted by Ron Cheramie
The Cajun Hedgehog
Member since Aug 2016
5601 posts
Posted on 2/6/18 at 8:20 am to
I see it as buying a stock or even a lotto ticket. Can't buy using a credit card.

Not mad at them
Posted by Ron Cheramie
The Cajun Hedgehog
Member since Aug 2016
5601 posts
Posted on 2/6/18 at 8:23 am to
My coinbase purchase from 6 days ago finally came in today!

:sad face
Posted by S1C EM
Athens, GA
Member since Nov 2007
11594 posts
Posted on 2/6/18 at 8:23 am to
quote:

I see it as buying a stock or even a lotto ticket.


I agree. I don't see the issue here.

I think the problem for us buyers is why a bank transfer takes so damn long.
Posted by S1C EM
Athens, GA
Member since Nov 2007
11594 posts
Posted on 2/6/18 at 8:24 am to
quote:

My coinbase purchase from 6 days ago finally came in today!

:sad face


It's a perfect day to capitalize, really. Yesterday, maybe a little better.
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