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re: Nebius - NBIS - AI Infrastructure Company

Posted on 10/25/25 at 12:16 pm to
Posted by bayoubengals88
LA
Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 10/25/25 at 12:16 pm to
Some P/E comps for slightly more mature companies in similar sectors:

- ServiceNow (NOW)
- Sector: Software (Workflow Automation)
- Market Cap: $194B
- Trailing P/E: 114
- Forward P/E: 50

- Palo Alto Networks (PANW)
- Sector: Software (Cybersecurity)
- Market Cap: $144B
- Trailing P/E: 133
- Forward P/E: 56

- CrowdStrike (CRWD)
- Sector: Software (Cybersecurity)
- Market Cap: $130B
- Trailing P/E: N/A (negative)
- Forward P/E: 102

- Snowflake (SNOW)
- Sector: Software (Data Warehousing)
- Market Cap: $82B
- Trailing P/E: N/A (negative)
- Forward P/E: 147

- Workday (WDAY)
- Sector: Software (HR/Finance)
- Market Cap: $65B
- Trailing P/E: 113
- Forward P/E: 26

- Celestica (CLS)
- Sector: Data Centers (Electronics Manufacturing Services)
- Market Cap: $70B
- Trailing P/E: 61
- Forward P/E: 43

- Astera Labs (ALAB)
- Sector: Data Centers (AI Connectivity Semiconductors)
- Market Cap: $36B
- Trailing P/E: 262
- Forward P/E: 108

- Arista Networks (ANET)
- Sector: Data Centers (Networking Equipment)
- Market Cap: $76B
- Trailing P/E: 60
- Forward P/E: 51
Posted by LChama
Member since May 2020
3347 posts
Posted on 10/25/25 at 1:26 pm to
Kind of handcuffed right now to get more shares. I dream of the day we get a 2:1 or 10:1 split
Posted by bayoubengals88
LA
Member since Sep 2007
23513 posts
Posted on 10/25/25 at 1:33 pm to
What if you sold 50-100 shares to buy Dec/Jan at the money calls. $120 or so
If you think we rise at all you can sell higher and buy more shares
Posted by LChama
Member since May 2020
3347 posts
Posted on 10/25/25 at 1:45 pm to
May need some coachin. Let me get outta the woods .. literally
Posted by bayoubengals88
LA
Member since Sep 2007
23513 posts
Posted on 10/25/25 at 2:04 pm to
If you sell 100 shares you can get 7 of these for roughly $15
100x118.20=11,820
7x1500=10,500
1,320 remains
With that, buy a Dec $140

Here’s the January:


If the stock goes to $130 before earnings then the option will be worth around $22. I’m guessing. Maybe more.
2,200x7=15,400
15,400/130=118.462
The December option could be worth say $17
1,700/130=13.0769

You’ve turned 100 shares into 131 shares.
131x130=17,030
100x130=13,000
You now have an extra 4,030 dollars.
It’s not nothin!
Posted by bayoubengals88
LA
Member since Sep 2007
23513 posts
Posted on 10/25/25 at 2:23 pm to
And back to the point, you didn’t spend 3,664 to buy those 31 shares at 118.20
Posted by Bass_Fanatic
Pineville
Member since Jun 2021
139 posts
Posted on 10/25/25 at 3:10 pm to
I’m in for 43 shares right now but I’m still learning about options. Help me understand. If I buy a $130 11/21 for let’s say $10. I pay $1000 for the option to sell 100 shares by 11/21 as long as it’s over $130. But I’d have to sell at at least $140 to break even right?
Posted by bayoubengals88
LA
Member since Sep 2007
23513 posts
Posted on 10/25/25 at 3:39 pm to
quote:

If I buy a $130 11/21 for let’s say $10. I pay $1000 for the option to sell 100 shares by 11/21 as long as it’s over $130.
No, you’d be paying 1,000 in premium for the opportunity (but not the obligation) to BUY shares at $130 any time before market close on 11/21.

So if the stock is trading at $160 then it’s a smart decision to exercise those options at $130.

But very few people do this. It’s capital intensive. We buy and sell only the $1,000 (10.00) contract.
Posted by bayoubengals88
LA
Member since Sep 2007
23513 posts
Posted on 10/25/25 at 3:42 pm to
For example,
I bought these 32 contracts at an average of 3.99 per contract. That’s the premium I paid.

But I would simple sell the contract at say 8.10, thus more than doubling my money.

Now there’s no guarantee I will do that well with that particular contract.
I might become satisfied at $6 and sell there. Or God forbid, it will lose value if the stock were to go down.



More detail on that contract:

This post was edited on 10/25/25 at 3:45 pm
Posted by bayoubengals88
LA
Member since Sep 2007
23513 posts
Posted on 10/25/25 at 3:47 pm to
Furthermore, option selling is when you own the shares (minimum 100), and someone pays that contract premium to you.
If the stock exceeds the strike price at the time of expiration, you lose the shares, but receive the cash for the shares plus the premium they paid you.

If the stock stays below the strike price, you keep the premium and the shares. Money!!
Posted by Bass_Fanatic
Pineville
Member since Jun 2021
139 posts
Posted on 10/25/25 at 4:00 pm to
So you are just reselling the contract, never actually excising the option to buy the shares? How do you resell a contract? And does it text up and down like the stock does?
Posted by HogPharmer
Member since Jun 2022
3433 posts
Posted on 10/25/25 at 4:16 pm to
Basically yes. You will “sell to close” the contract.
Posted by bayoubengals88
LA
Member since Sep 2007
23513 posts
Posted on 10/25/25 at 4:21 pm to
quote:

So you are just reselling the contract, never actually excising the option to buy the shares?
Yes. 100% of the time.
quote:

How do you resell a contract?
Click “sell” or STC (sell to close).
Enter a limit price. Submit it.
quote:

And does it text up and down like the stock does?

Learning how options move is vital.
Those that are closer to the expiry date swing wildly. The further out you go, the less it fluctuates, especially if they are deep in the money in which case the only move a little bit more than the stock price (underlying) itself.

Example: NBIS was up about 10% yesterday. Let’s see how the options did:


Up 46%
But look at the 1 month chart.
High of $23 and a low of $5!
Posted by IT_Dawg
Georgia
Member since Oct 2012
26341 posts
Posted on 10/25/25 at 4:37 pm to
We should set up an AMA one day to discuss the company itself, the market, and options trading :)

Like 2 hours where we can stay online to answer questions quickly
Posted by bayoubengals88
LA
Member since Sep 2007
23513 posts
Posted on 10/25/25 at 4:38 pm to
What makes a contract worthless versus what makes it extremely valuable?
ITM vs OTM
IN the Money vs Out of the money.
NBIS closed at $117.26
If you own options with a $100 strike then they are ITM.
Whether they expire next week or next year, they have a lot of value.
And because it’s valuable, they contracts cost more.

If you own contracts with a strike of $180 that expire next week, then they are worth almost nothing. As in, near $0.
Sure, they’re cheap if you want to buy them, but the risk/reward is almost ALL risk.

So you’ve got to be smart with your selections and know what is likely to happen before you buy them.
I have a whopping two contracts that expire this Friday. They are $135 strike price. They were cheap because NBIS is unlikely to reach $135 by Friday.

I’m also not going to wait around to find out. One more big move and I’m selling those. I won’t make a ton because I only own two contracts, but it’s something.



I bought these around $113 yesterday thinking we’d go back to 115 or higher.
It happened, and that’s why I’m up 20%.
I can potentially double my money on these with a strong open on Monday.
Why? High risk/high reward.
They are far out of the money given the close expiry date.
But if we continue to rapidly approach $135 then the contracts will appreciate like crazy.
Posted by bayoubengals88
LA
Member since Sep 2007
23513 posts
Posted on 10/25/25 at 4:39 pm to
quote:

We should set up an AMA one day to discuss the company itself, the market, and options trading :)
We could gain a hell of a following on YouTube, Spaces, Spotify!!

Chicken would have to pay us
This post was edited on 10/25/25 at 4:40 pm
Posted by AuBeerStud
Michigan
Member since Feb 2013
425 posts
Posted on 10/25/25 at 4:40 pm to
I found a great way to learn options is on Robinhood. Pick one you really like and then add it to your watch list.

It acts like you bought it, then you can watch and see how you would have done.

It’s a great way to learn without risking money.
Posted by bayoubengals88
LA
Member since Sep 2007
23513 posts
Posted on 10/25/25 at 4:49 pm to
Definitely.
Robinhood is great for learning options.
I just hate the ten cent spreads.
That’s probably how they make most of their money.
Posted by Bass_Fanatic
Pineville
Member since Jun 2021
139 posts
Posted on 10/25/25 at 4:56 pm to
I’m going to try that!
Posted by LChama
Member since May 2020
3347 posts
Posted on 10/25/25 at 9:00 pm to
I may do this monday. Thanks man
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