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IUL. Pros/Cons

Posted on 2/3/24 at 9:42 pm
Posted by Transplant Tigah
In the unholy land of the Bulldawgs
Member since Mar 2004
387 posts
Posted on 2/3/24 at 9:42 pm
Who has one? What are pros and cons. General thoughts?
Posted by UltimaParadox
Huntsville
Member since Nov 2008
40847 posts
Posted on 2/3/24 at 9:51 pm to
I'm sure the insurance salesman have lots of pros they can tout.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
84765 posts
Posted on 2/4/24 at 6:54 am to
What are you trying to accomplish with it?
Posted by Transplant Tigah
In the unholy land of the Bulldawgs
Member since Mar 2004
387 posts
Posted on 2/4/24 at 8:22 am to
Maxed out 401k. Passed income limits on a roth. Looking you lower my tax burden and grow money tax free.
Posted by TorchtheFlyingTiger
1st coast
Member since Jan 2008
2118 posts
Posted on 2/4/24 at 8:26 am to
quote:

Passed income limits on a roth. 

Do you even backdoor Roth bro?

Unless you have a preexisting traditional IRA, it is simple to set up. Even if you do have traditional IRA, you'll just pay tax on a proportionate share of the conversion (pro rata rule.)
Posted by Transplant Tigah
In the unholy land of the Bulldawgs
Member since Mar 2004
387 posts
Posted on 2/4/24 at 8:31 am to
Backdoor roth? Please educate me.
Posted by NBR_Exile
Houston via Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2012
948 posts
Posted on 2/4/24 at 8:34 am to
quote:

A backdoor Roth IRA is a strategy rather than an official type of individual retirement account. It is a technique used by high-income earners—who exceed Roth IRA income limits—to convert their traditional IRA to a Roth IRA


Backdoor Roth explained
Posted by UltimaParadox
Huntsville
Member since Nov 2008
40847 posts
Posted on 2/4/24 at 8:46 am to
quote:

Looking you lower my tax burden and grow money tax free.


Don't mix insurance and investments. They are two separate things.

First as already stated start utilizing a back door Roth, also are you utilizing an HSA?

You are still better opening up a standard brokerage account and investing that way than any IUL policy if you are trying to grow your money.

Posted by iknowmorethanyou
Paydirt
Member since Jul 2007
6546 posts
Posted on 2/4/24 at 10:01 am to
The terms of the underlying index strategies are subject to change over the life of the policy.

Therefore, the actual performance will likely be lower than what is being illustrated initially.
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
20426 posts
Posted on 2/4/24 at 10:06 am to
A normal taxed brokerage account is not a bad place to have money. Simply buy some ETF’s or mutual funds and don’t sell them, and there’s virtually no tax until you do sell which can be 40 years from now. Chances are with a normal taxed account you are still going to beat any sort of ‘investment’ in an insurance policy.

ETA: the benefit is the money is immediately accessible and you don’t have to ‘loan’ it to yourself or any other sort of BS from a retirement or insurance account.
This post was edited on 2/4/24 at 10:08 am
Posted by TorchtheFlyingTiger
1st coast
Member since Jan 2008
2118 posts
Posted on 2/4/24 at 12:54 pm to
Why the down votes for Backdoor Roth? If you're gonna down vote maybe offer an alternate viewpoint.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
84765 posts
Posted on 2/4/24 at 2:16 pm to
quote:

Maxed out 401k. Passed income limits on a roth. Looking you lower my tax burden and grow money tax free.


Backdoor Roth first.

Then compare the IUL vs buying IVV or VOO with the premiums. With either you’d only be paying taxes on about 2% of your investment each year, and you’d also be paying capital gains rates which are much more favorable.

Growing an IUL tax free is nice on the surface, but make sure you’re comparing it vs a fair alternative.
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