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re: Is it smart to buy a car at 0% and no money down. Is there something I'm missing here?
Posted on 2/12/18 at 5:05 pm to YoungManOldMan
Posted on 2/12/18 at 5:05 pm to YoungManOldMan
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I can buy GAP Insurance online for $180 for 2 years
You can put the 20% down payment toward the note and immediately have no need for GAP. Are you going to earn more than $180 on that money over those two years?
Posted on 2/12/18 at 5:17 pm to slackster
$150 if it sits in savings. It will also give me peace of mind of reserves. The $30 is worth that fee.
This post was edited on 2/12/18 at 5:18 pm
Posted on 2/12/18 at 6:30 pm to achenator
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This is assuming you don't purchase GAP insurance which is another added expense.
My personal opinion is that if you have to buy gap insurance you shouldn't be buying the car at all. Just make sure you can come up with the cash if something happens.
To answer the original question, 0% is never a bad deal. For that matter, anything less than the rate of inflation is a good deal.
Posted on 2/12/18 at 6:49 pm to YoungManOldMan
I have done this several times. As others have mentioned, you will be upside down once you drive the car of off the lot. However, that should not be too much of a problem since you have the money that you would put down.
When I purchased my first car following 9/11, I was going to put $20k down. But they started offering 0% interest for 36 months. I decided to put nothing down and invest the $20k. But instead I left it in savings. About a year later, I wondered where most of the $20k went. The moral of the story is pay the down payment if you don’t have the discipline to save or invest the money.
When I purchased my first car following 9/11, I was going to put $20k down. But they started offering 0% interest for 36 months. I decided to put nothing down and invest the $20k. But instead I left it in savings. About a year later, I wondered where most of the $20k went. The moral of the story is pay the down payment if you don’t have the discipline to save or invest the money.
Posted on 2/12/18 at 6:58 pm to Terry the Tiger
no your not missing anything. often we are brainwashed to think debt is bad. Interest rates are rising, they probably wont offer it much longer. use the 6k as an investment into stocks or crypto, or other HIGH interest loans if thats how you are geared.
Posted on 2/12/18 at 7:04 pm to YoungManOldMan
Financing makes you stretch your budget more than buying for cash, or with a significant down payment. If you had 40k cash, would you part with it for the same car, or buy something more modest?
Posted on 2/12/18 at 7:08 pm to YoungManOldMan
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$150 if it sits in savings. It will also give me peace of mind of reserves. The $30 is worth that fee.
I still don't get it though. If you were going to out $10k down today anyway, why not keep it and skip the gap insurance? Being upside down is irrelevant when you have the money in the bank to make up the difference.
If you're worried about being upside down to start, put $5k towards the first payment and you can save the $180 premium as you won't be upside down at all (assuming you got a good deal from jump street)
Posted on 2/12/18 at 7:20 pm to slackster
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f you were going to out $10k down today anyway, why not keep it and skip the gap insurance? Being upside down is irrelevant when you have the money in the bank to make up the difference.
exactly. somebody must of accidental down voted this
This post was edited on 2/12/18 at 7:22 pm
Posted on 2/12/18 at 7:22 pm to Rust Cohle
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somebody must of accidental down voted this
I think I've got a money board serial downvoter or something.
Posted on 2/12/18 at 9:42 pm to slackster
So just an update, we got he 0% for 60 months. $635 a month with no money down.
Our frickin sales tax here is terrible. We paid 9.1%. 4.22% for state, 3.38 for County and 1.5 for City.
I turned down all those additional packages from the finance guy. He did not like that one bit. At one point I go, you want me to pay an extra $3800 (60/mo) to etch a VIN number and an additional warranty? They try to get people with the "It's only a little bit extra a month".
After I argued he cut it down to $37/mo. I still rejected. Just scams, man. That's not even the worse one. There was one they were selling for an extra $100 a month.
My wife said she would have bought them if I hadn't been there
Anyway, love the new car. Thanks guys.
Our frickin sales tax here is terrible. We paid 9.1%. 4.22% for state, 3.38 for County and 1.5 for City.
I turned down all those additional packages from the finance guy. He did not like that one bit. At one point I go, you want me to pay an extra $3800 (60/mo) to etch a VIN number and an additional warranty? They try to get people with the "It's only a little bit extra a month".
After I argued he cut it down to $37/mo. I still rejected. Just scams, man. That's not even the worse one. There was one they were selling for an extra $100 a month.
My wife said she would have bought them if I hadn't been there
Anyway, love the new car. Thanks guys.
Posted on 2/12/18 at 10:05 pm to YoungManOldMan
GAP insurance is so cheap that it is a rounding error in the purchase of a new vehicle.
Posted on 2/12/18 at 10:08 pm to lynxcat
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GAP insurance is so cheap that it is a rounding error in the purchase of a new vehicle.
For a reason though.
Posted on 2/12/18 at 10:50 pm to slackster
Yes, it is unlikely you need to make the claim but I’ll gladly pay for the peace of mind. The downside risk sucks if you wreck in the first year.
Posted on 2/12/18 at 11:05 pm to lynxcat
quote:not if he has enough to cover 20% down
The downside risk sucks if you wreck in the first year.
Posted on 2/12/18 at 11:19 pm to castorinho
Ok, let’s play this out.
Assume the GAP covers $10,000 difference between loan and value.
Car is wrecked and totaled coming out of the dealership lot.
With GAP: Pays the $300 GAP coverage and may have a deductible of say $500. So, $800 total. Pays that and has $9,200 cash remaining.
Without GAP: Pays $10,000 difference to settle loan.
There is a big cash flow difference.
Assume the GAP covers $10,000 difference between loan and value.
Car is wrecked and totaled coming out of the dealership lot.
With GAP: Pays the $300 GAP coverage and may have a deductible of say $500. So, $800 total. Pays that and has $9,200 cash remaining.
Without GAP: Pays $10,000 difference to settle loan.
There is a big cash flow difference.
Posted on 2/12/18 at 11:21 pm to lynxcat
Gap has $1000 deductible. Worst case I’m looking at $1500 if it’s a disaster. I don’t know the depreciation of Subaru but I believe my breakpoint to bring right side up is at the 1-1.5 yr mark based on used car values advertised
This post was edited on 2/12/18 at 11:24 pm
Posted on 2/13/18 at 5:33 am to lynxcat
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Ok, let’s play this out.
Insurance usually does look like a good deal if you assume you need to use it within a year.
The rest of the time you're just doing this:
Posted on 2/13/18 at 6:48 am to lynxcat
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Ok, let’s play this out.
We're all aware GAP insurance wouldn't be sold unless the numbers were in the favor of the insurer, right?
You should insure things you can't afford to replace. That's not the case with the OP, but do whatever helps you sleep at night I guess.
Posted on 2/13/18 at 8:15 am to foshizzle
I’m surprised at some of the hardline stances on this topic. Having been on the board for years, auto purchases seem to bring out the most extreme differences in posters.
Yes, I acknowledge that the owner is unlikely to need to use the GAP insurance; hence, the relative affordability of the insurance. However, the downside protection is also clear to the owner.
One other consideration is the value of the “GAP” I’m getting protected against and the cost of the insurance relative to my TCO. If I make $700/month payments and have a $20,000 GAP then the $300 GAP insurance is relatively affordable. On the other hand, if I have a $5,000 GAP with $250/month payments then the relative value decreases. From what I recall, GAP insurance is fairly static in cost but I haven’t looked into it closely.
Yes, I acknowledge that the owner is unlikely to need to use the GAP insurance; hence, the relative affordability of the insurance. However, the downside protection is also clear to the owner.
One other consideration is the value of the “GAP” I’m getting protected against and the cost of the insurance relative to my TCO. If I make $700/month payments and have a $20,000 GAP then the $300 GAP insurance is relatively affordable. On the other hand, if I have a $5,000 GAP with $250/month payments then the relative value decreases. From what I recall, GAP insurance is fairly static in cost but I haven’t looked into it closely.
Posted on 2/13/18 at 8:21 am to slackster
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You should insure things you can't afford to replace.
This is our point of difference.
In another example, I pay around $30/year to insure my photography equipment with $3,000 in coverage. If my apartment were to go up in flames, could I replace the equipment without insurance? Yes. Instead, I’ll gladly pay 1% of the asset value to protect against asset theft or destruction.
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