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re: Holding AMC Thread- Diamond hands unite

Posted on 6/9/21 at 6:58 pm to
Posted by Chucktown_Badger
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Posted on 6/9/21 at 6:58 pm to
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So how are they getting this "avg" per investor?


Id assume it's based on data from the moment they closed things down (maybe 6/2?) or some kind of moving average?

One would think that with the amount of money that is at stake they would explain everything in excruciating detail somewhere.
Posted by CajunCraftsman225
Member since Jun 2021
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Posted on 6/9/21 at 6:58 pm to
Difference is volume was more that total shares, and low short interest from where shorts actually covered, and are continually able to do so it seems.
Posted by Chucktown_Badger
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Member since May 2013
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Posted on 6/9/21 at 6:59 pm to
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I actually have no idea who my boy BAM is


Ah, you must be new to this thread. Sorry about that.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 6/9/21 at 7:01 pm to
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So just a generalized question but what’s the difference between AMC and GameStop? I understand what’s going on and have some money in amc but curious why you don’t think it can happen with amc but already did with GameStop?


AMC has/had like 1/5th the short interest that GME has/had. The entire AMC short squeeze premise is based on there presumably being a ton (like hundreds of millions) of naked shorts that would be exposed by the share count. That didn’t happen.

All that being said, none of this price action is driven by the facts, so I would never say it’s impossible.
Posted by CajunCraftsman225
Member since Jun 2021
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Posted on 6/9/21 at 7:05 pm to
So your stocks purchased/sold have to settle. This takes 2 days typically. They are able to filter out unsettled from settled. I am assuming. When request is made your broker is obliged to report I believe. What they report is the shares that are settled and number of accounts that are acting as shareholders. I am assuming they do not relay personal information?

Wishful thinking... takes lots of reading and variable sources.

Posted by Hog Springs
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Posted on 6/9/21 at 7:19 pm to
I get the premise of naked shorting...but could the short squeeze still happen in amc if the shares are bought back or are you saying the hedge funds can hang on longer to amc Bc the interest is lower? Is it the amount of volume amc has had vs GameStop? I’m just genuinely trying to understand what the difference is...

Btw, hindsight is 20/20 so looking back on GameStop it’s a lot easier to see why it happened so the same could be said for amc....opposite could happen also though haha
This post was edited on 6/9/21 at 7:42 pm
Posted by Chucktown_Badger
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Posted on 6/9/21 at 7:23 pm to
Seems reasonable. And i would think there has to be some unique identifier attached to the individual shares they report, like address or SSN, or something, otherwise people who hold shares in different accounts would tally up as more than one shareholder.
This post was edited on 6/9/21 at 7:24 pm
Posted by Chucktown_Badger
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Member since May 2013
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Posted on 6/9/21 at 7:30 pm to
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are you saying the hedge funds can hang on longer to amc Bc the interest is lower?


Kinda. A simple example would be this... assume a company issues 10 shares.

A hedge funds borrows 10 shares and some are borrowed twice to get to 14 borrowed shares.. which they've sold immediately. Now they have to return 14 shares because they're due. They have to find someone to sell them more shares than are available. Basically they have to find and buy a metric frick ton and if people hold it squeezes the price up.

Now assume a different company with 10 shares has 2 shares borrowed by hedge funds. When they come due they only need to find that smaller number and % of shares. Way easier, and much harder to squeeze the price up. Because as we've been seeing on AMC thus far, enough people are selling back to let the hedge funds out of their positions.
This post was edited on 6/9/21 at 7:47 pm
Posted by slackster
Houston
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Posted on 6/9/21 at 8:24 pm to
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get the premise of naked shorting...but could the short squeeze still happen in amc if the shares are bought back or are you saying the hedge funds can hang on longer to amc Bc the interest is lower? Is it the amount of volume amc has had vs GameStop? I’m just genuinely trying to understand what the difference is...


Problem number 1 is the premise is false to a large extent. GME was 1 part short squeeze and 3 parts retail/hedges just buying and swapping shares back and forth. The idea that retail would hold and not sell to hedges trying to cover never actually materialized. The volume and share price action proves it. The stock started to fall when retail couldn’t buy it - if it was a true squeeze, that wouldn’t have mattered all that much.

Problem 2 is that this isn’t the first rodeo. GME came out of nowhere, by and large. This AMC attempt at a squeeze has been going on for nearly 5 months. You’re not going to catch all of these supposed shorts off guard, but you can definitely force the hands of a few of them. We’ve already seen the shares on loan get cut by like 50 million shares since the price went parabolic.

Problem 3 is that the funds of the WSB types are going to be running thin. They can’t pump 10s or stocks at a time, and people won’t follow them into every idea if they keep getting their arse beat like on CLOV today.

Lots of reasons this isn’t like GME, but people can be irrational for long periods of time, so it’s entirely plausible people try to drive the price even higher.
Posted by greygoose
Member since Aug 2013
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Posted on 6/9/21 at 8:38 pm to
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and he’s done that - on paper anyway.

Jeff Bezos is the richest man on Earth. Undisputed.

Does he have those billions in a savings account? If Amazon stock goes up 20%, is he declared richer, or do the pundits put an asterisk beside his wealth amount that leads to a footnote with "unrealized"?
Posted by greygoose
Member since Aug 2013
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Posted on 6/9/21 at 8:39 pm to
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Explain that to Chitown. He seems to dwell on 280.00
He also likes $7.50!
Posted by greygoose
Member since Aug 2013
11449 posts
Posted on 6/9/21 at 8:41 pm to
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Why all this code and math that always leaves room for interpretation?

Never played poker, I see.
Posted by carlsoda
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Member since Dec 2009
5776 posts
Posted on 6/9/21 at 8:48 pm to
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their arse beat like on CLOV today


Clov was obviously a setup and they made money from it probably using that cash to pay for this amc debacle they are in.

Difference here in my mind is they can’t shake people off amc... this is going to be wild.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
84870 posts
Posted on 6/9/21 at 8:54 pm to
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Jeff Bezos is the richest man on Earth. Undisputed.

Does he have those billions in a savings account? If Amazon stock goes up 20%, is he declared richer, or do the pundits put an asterisk beside his wealth amount that leads to a footnote with "unrealized"?


So you agree you’ve lost 35% since Wednesday? Gotcha.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
84870 posts
Posted on 6/9/21 at 8:55 pm to
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Why all this code and math that always leaves room for interpretation?


Never played poker, I see.



Oh Christ man, you can’t be serious.

Adam Aron has all the data to put naked shorts on blast and he had to send out cryptic data full of holes? What a load of BS.
Posted by greygoose
Member since Aug 2013
11449 posts
Posted on 6/9/21 at 8:59 pm to
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Difference here in my mind is they can’t shake people off amc... this is going to be wild.


This is where you separate the wheat from the chaff.

I personally know people that bought low, bought high and averaged down, and bought at $42. The common thing among them is, they certainly can see just how how this can go. I was getting ridiculed 2,3,4,5 months ago by the same crowd, still shite-slinging today. Meanwhile, I'm now looking at how to lower the tax burden I'm going to incur when I do, eventually sell. A tax that is probably more Chitstain makes in a year.

Earlier today, a resident Debbie Downer advised everyone not to listen to, or take my advice. He has made zero on this stock, while being here, everyday, day after day, basically telling everyone to stay away for the last 6 months. I was also called a psycho. That came from another Debbie Downer who shite talks this stock on a daily, if not hourly basis. He did admit to going short at one point, and lost his entire investment. So tell me, who is the psycho?
Posted by greygoose
Member since Aug 2013
11449 posts
Posted on 6/9/21 at 9:01 pm to
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So you agree you’ve lost 35% since Wednesday? Gotcha.

Yep, but the big question is, what is my total gain?

Serious question, were you always a prick, or did you have to practice?
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
84870 posts
Posted on 6/9/21 at 9:07 pm to
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Earlier today, a resident Debbie Downer advised everyone not to listen to, or take my advice. He has made zero on this stock, while being here, everyday, day after day, basically telling everyone to stay away for the last 6 months.


I said not to listen to your logic or reasoning because it’s complete horseshite. Either you’re too ignorant to know it’s wrong, which is unfortunate, or you know exactly what you’re doing and essentially trying to mislead people out of their money. If people want to buy the stock because you’ve been high on it and it’s gone up, that’s fine, but every single reason you’ve laid out for why it should go up is demonstrably false. The fact that the stock has gone up doesn’t change a single thing about that, and people deserve to know you’re basically pulling shite out of your arse and passing it off as research and/or facts.
This post was edited on 6/9/21 at 9:08 pm
Posted by Sasquatch2020
Member since Oct 2020
519 posts
Posted on 6/9/21 at 9:09 pm to
So Lou is pushing some intel about orders being delayed. Not 24 hrs, not 48 hours, not 72 hours but 10 days. He saying orders are being delayed 10 days. Wonder what this frickery is all about.

Naked shorts, dark pool, 2ndary data system, orders being delayed... wtf is going on? It’s all going to come out as it already has started to.
This post was edited on 6/9/21 at 9:10 pm
Posted by MusclesofBrussels
Member since Dec 2015
4474 posts
Posted on 6/9/21 at 9:13 pm to
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Wait, why can’t they vote?




I like that he ignored this
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