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Getting Rid of PMI on FHA Loan

Posted on 1/14/19 at 1:35 pm
Posted by tiger10lsu
New Orleans
Member since Oct 2010
223 posts
Posted on 1/14/19 at 1:35 pm
Is it possible even when owning 20% of the home?

All I've seen when researching is to refinance to a conventional loan to get rid of it. Then my current rate of 3.375% will likely go closer to 5%.

So I don't really see any benefit to it.

Am I missing something?

Thanks
Posted by castorinho
13623 posts
Member since Nov 2010
82033 posts
Posted on 1/14/19 at 1:40 pm to
The rule changed a few years back, now you have to wait a while (10 years?) and must have put a certain per of down-payment (can't remember) to get rid of Pmi. Otherwise it's for the life of the loan...unless you
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refinance to a conventional loan to get rid of it.

Just make sure you do the math for your situation and see which one comes out ahead, including closing costs. But yeah that's a huge interest rate spread.

Posted by juice4lsu
Member since Dec 2007
3695 posts
Posted on 1/14/19 at 1:50 pm to
When you go FHA it isn't called PMI, it's called MIP (confusing right?).

Anyway, MIP is for the life of the loan and does not change based on your equity in the home. That's why most people try to go conventional.
Posted by tiger10lsu
New Orleans
Member since Oct 2010
223 posts
Posted on 1/14/19 at 1:53 pm to
Damn. I guess I will have to wait for the rate to get closer to mine and make the jump. I can't stand throwing that $140 per month away.
Posted by Rize
Spring Texas
Member since Sep 2011
15802 posts
Posted on 1/14/19 at 1:54 pm to
I got rid of mine at the 5 year mark on a FHA loan. Like some have said there have been some changes since I got my loan in 2012.
Posted by MrJimBeam
Member since Apr 2009
12307 posts
Posted on 1/14/19 at 1:55 pm to
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I can't stand throwing that $140 per month away.


Yikes, yeah that's a lot. I'd certainly do some math if you are throwing away damn near 1700 dollars a year towards it...
Posted by Hussss
Living the Dream
Member since Oct 2016
6744 posts
Posted on 1/14/19 at 1:56 pm to
Better pray for several more rounds of QE since China and Russia are no longer buying our Treasury bonds. Your only hope for a conventional to get down close to that rate.
Posted by Tigeralltheway
Member since Jan 2014
2571 posts
Posted on 1/14/19 at 9:39 pm to
Im in the same boat. I got a 3.75% which i won’t get now.
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35239 posts
Posted on 1/14/19 at 10:00 pm to
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I got rid of mine at the 5 year mark on a FHA loan. Like some have said there have been some changes since I got my loan in 2012.
Yeah. When we were considering FHA, the MIP was the first thing I noticed, especially the premium that is put right back into the loan which basically negates a large percentage of the down payment (e.g., with the minimum 3.5% down, the LTV is 98.2% not the 96.5% from that down payment).

Anyways, looking more into it, it seems the Trump admin rolled back the ability to get rid of the MIP, which made a conventional mich more of a no brainer. I think PMI is a huge scam, but it’s much less than that MIP.

Edit: I was incorrect. Trump admin didn’t reverse the MIP removal (under Obama admin). I just have been confusing that with their reversal of a planned rate cut.
This post was edited on 1/15/19 at 8:38 am
Posted by ItzMe1972
Member since Dec 2013
9803 posts
Posted on 1/14/19 at 11:45 pm to
"Anyways, looking more into it, it seems the Trump admin rolled back the ability to get rid of the MIP"


My daughter has a 5 year old FHA loan. The MIP is for the life of the loan. Don't think Trump admin is responsible.
Posted by ItNeverRains
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Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 1/15/19 at 7:33 am to
Rates are north of 5% now, if your in the 3’s may be cheaper to pay it vs converting to conventional loan.

Edit : MIP for life of FHA was implemented under Obama, not Trump
This post was edited on 1/15/19 at 7:34 am
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35239 posts
Posted on 1/15/19 at 8:36 am to
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My daughter has a 5 year old FHA loan. The MIP is for the life of the loan. Don't think Trump admin is responsible.
I think I may have been wrong. It was a premium rate cut that was reversed. I knew it was something that made the loans more costly.

Trump's team suspended a mortgage insurance rate cut. Here's what that means
This post was edited on 1/15/19 at 8:37 am
Posted by TheWiz
Third World, LA
Member since Aug 2007
11679 posts
Posted on 1/15/19 at 10:21 am to
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Edit : MIP for life of FHA was implemented under Obama, not Trump


I thought there was some rule that stated you could remove MIP on loans originated before July 2012 or 2013. Can't remember which year.
Posted by LigerFan
Member since Jan 2014
2711 posts
Posted on 1/15/19 at 1:10 pm to
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MIP is for the life of the loan and does not change based on your equity in the home


I have an FHA mortgage and my premiums adjust annually. Not sure if this has changed in recent years, but I closed on my loan May 2015
Posted by hawkeye007
Member since Feb 2010
5854 posts
Posted on 1/15/19 at 3:49 pm to
your rate really isn't what you think it is. When you add back the PMI you are paying a higher rate then what's on paper. when you reach the 20% equity point you need to refinance. Right now rates are in the 4.625% range . They will not be back to the 4% range without a massive recession in the country so don't wait around thinking that will happen. Also if you reach yr 10 in any loan you need to refinance to a 10 or 15yr term. A 30yr mortgage is front end loaded with interest so you are paying a small amount of your payment towards principal anyway.
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